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Why are governments putting women and girls at higher risk of sex crimes?

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Absentmindedsmile · 26/08/2025 12:37

Fact: Hundreds of thousands of men are entering Europe (as in the continent), from countries where women and girls are second class citizens.
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Fact: The sex crime rate statistics associated with different nationalities living in the UK have been published. An example is provided below.
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….the [sex crime] rates, based on convictions per 10,000 of the population put Afghans, with 77 convictions, at the top with a rate of 59 per 10,000 – 22.3 times that of Britons.
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They were followed by Eritreans, who accounted for 59 convictions at a rate of 53.6 per 10,000 of their population.
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Britons accounted for 12,619 sex offence convictions, representing a rate of 2.66 per per 10,000 of their population in England and Wales.
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https://archive.md/6AXAy Archive version
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Fact: This example data blows up any erroneous claims from people suggesting that British men commit more sex crimes when numbers in the population are accounted for / are more likely to commit a sex crime.
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There’s above is factual data. It is not racist to provide it. To claim this, is quite simply, wrong. Perhaps it’s projection, the mind boggles.

To want ‘no debate’ and bleet on with incorrectly placed accusations of racism, is to shut down people’s valid concerns.

Tin hat on for the people who want no debate on this issue, and instead of protecting women and girls, insist on protecting men from countries where women and girls are treated as second class citizens.

More data has been promised.
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homeedhorrors · 26/08/2025 15:02

ninjahamster · 26/08/2025 14:57

Nobody is denying that some asylum seekers commit crime. But so do many, many British born men.
40% of the men arrested for rioting last year had convictions.

Yes but it has only suddenly become viewed as problematic and an issue of great concern when non white men are the perpetrators.
My local Facebook group is full of this rubbish, and it came to light that one of the men leading a vigilante campaign "protecting our women" had a string of convictions for DV and ABH. Some of the women who have been shouting the loudest about "we need to protect our girls" were praising him to high heaven, saying "everyone deserves to leave their past behind". No shits given because he was a local guy.

Pieceofpurplesky · 26/08/2025 15:04

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A few years ago on a Tube back home a white man started wanking in front of us. Stood up in our faces (two young women).
I have also been groped several times by white men.

Should I blame ALL white men? Any sexual assault is wrong, but the big thing is they are all men - of many different races, cultures and background.

I am scared of this narrative that every ill is caused by 'illegals'.

Pieceofpurplesky · 26/08/2025 15:07

Absentmindedsmile · 26/08/2025 15:01

It’s disturbing - or a sign of the times perhaps, that you seem to think facts make people eg. racist. Debate is about facts, one hopes. To deny them is to close down debate.

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When facts are true it makes great debate. When facts are manipulated to make a false narrative then count me out.

TremendousBanana · 26/08/2025 15:08

Absentmindedsmile · 26/08/2025 14:34

Not sure what that has to do with my OP. But I’ll answer in good faith.

Men should not be placed in women’s prisons.

Your thread title is literally Why are governments putting women and girls at higher risk of sex crimes?

PhilippaGeorgiou · 26/08/2025 15:08

Having said that they barely reacted when little girls were consistently raped in Rochdale by Pakistani grooming gangs.. So what are our chances here. As I said earlier, would there be more motivation if the people at risk, were men. If men were being raped and sexually attacked.

This one always makes me smile. I was born and grew up in Rochdale. Nothing justifies those men in Rochdale in terms of what they did. But whilst the authorities may have "barely reacted" they literally did not a fucking thing about the well-known allegations against Cyril Smith MP. As a teenager I and just about everyone in town knew what he was up to with boys. But he was a white MP, so clearly he didn't do anything.

CorneliaCupp · 26/08/2025 15:10

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Why do you mention asylum seekers op? None of your stats have related to asylum seekers have they?

BeckyAMumsnet · 26/08/2025 15:10

Hi all. We’re dropping in to note that the statistics shared here come from official conviction data, though posters should be aware that the population figures used in these comparisons may be out of date according to some interpretations, which affects per-capita interpretations.

We’re by no means statisticians, and it’s not always possible for Mumsnet to verify or fully interpret the statistics that posters share here. As with all complex data, context and methodology matter, so we’d encourage posters to approach numbers critically and, where possible, link to original sources. Challenges are welcome, but please avoid personal attacks.

Posts that promote hostility towards people based on nationality, ethnicity or religion will be removed.

TremendousBanana · 26/08/2025 15:11

PhilippaGeorgiou · 26/08/2025 15:08

Having said that they barely reacted when little girls were consistently raped in Rochdale by Pakistani grooming gangs.. So what are our chances here. As I said earlier, would there be more motivation if the people at risk, were men. If men were being raped and sexually attacked.

This one always makes me smile. I was born and grew up in Rochdale. Nothing justifies those men in Rochdale in terms of what they did. But whilst the authorities may have "barely reacted" they literally did not a fucking thing about the well-known allegations against Cyril Smith MP. As a teenager I and just about everyone in town knew what he was up to with boys. But he was a white MP, so clearly he didn't do anything.

See also: Kincora, and numerous boys’ prep schools.

MissyB1 · 26/08/2025 15:13

Another hate thread, as though there haven’t been enough recently, I find it really depressing.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 26/08/2025 15:13

Absentmindedsmile · 26/08/2025 15:01

It’s disturbing - or a sign of the times perhaps, that you seem to think facts make people eg. racist. Debate is about facts, one hopes. To deny them is to close down debate.

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You seem to think that because you said something (or said something someone else said) that that makes it a fact. People are debating on the basis that the "facts" are false. Of course you can "deny" false "facts". You do understand that just because you said something doesn't make it true?

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 26/08/2025 15:14

If this data is inaccurate do we have any true statistics? I thought the government weren’t keeping accurate data anymore as they didn’t think it was fair. Men’s crimes were being recorded as women’s crimes although I think that might have changed recently. Is anyone actually collating some accurate crime data or no?

Lavender14 · 26/08/2025 15:15

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Is it absolutely racist if you think the only reason those men did that was because of their ethnicity.

Are you calling for the removal/deportation of the white men who commit these crimes all the time??

Don't kid yourself. We had large scale riots recently where I live because two immigrant assaulted a young woman. Funnily enough a small vigil was held when 3 local women were murdered by their white husbands. It's absolutely racism.

Absentmindedsmile · 26/08/2025 15:15

homeedhorrors · 26/08/2025 14:55

DV has always been a problem. For some though it's only problematic when the perpetrator isn't white. Is there the same concern towards protecting our women and girls when the perpetrator is white? I read something recently regarding the British colonialists historically positioning Black men as sexual savages and the women as insatiable. It made a lot of sense as to why there is suddenly so much rhetoric around "our daughters can't play on the street anymore". It's pure racism.

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Sorry this is idiotic reasoning. I’ve been heavily involved with preventing / addressing VAWG. British men are bad enough. What we do not need is to make the situation for women and girls, much much worse. I find your attitude bigoted and racist. But, it’s an attitude easily slipped into. I can see that.

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EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 26/08/2025 15:17

Lavender14 · 26/08/2025 15:15

Is it absolutely racist if you think the only reason those men did that was because of their ethnicity.

Are you calling for the removal/deportation of the white men who commit these crimes all the time??

Don't kid yourself. We had large scale riots recently where I live because two immigrant assaulted a young woman. Funnily enough a small vigil was held when 3 local women were murdered by their white husbands. It's absolutely racism.

Where were the white men from out of interest?

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 26/08/2025 15:17

Absentmindedsmile · 26/08/2025 15:01

It’s disturbing - or a sign of the times perhaps, that you seem to think facts make people eg. racist. Debate is about facts, one hopes. To deny them is to close down debate.

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I'm glad that you agree that facts are important.

Given that the "facts" you presented in your OP have been discredited, are you going to retract them? Or are you going to deny the real facts because they don't suit your narrative?

Lavender14 · 26/08/2025 15:18

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 26/08/2025 15:17

Where were the white men from out of interest?

They were born and bred here in the UK, why?

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 26/08/2025 15:18

Lavender14 · 26/08/2025 15:18

They were born and bred here in the UK, why?

In that case where were the two immigrants in your post from?

lifeturnsonadime · 26/08/2025 15:19

There is a very very fine line to be drawn between hateful racist rhetoric and creating a sacred caste that cannot be discussed.

Discussions should be had about what can be done to prevent ALL male violence regardless of the race/ nationality/ immigration status of the male in question.

Absentmindedsmile · 26/08/2025 15:19

TremendousBanana · 26/08/2025 15:08

Your thread title is literally Why are governments putting women and girls at higher risk of sex crimes?

Ok. If you’d like to ignore the context I provided after the necessarily short headline.

The fight for women’s rights leading to the brilliant Supreme Court confirmation of the significance of biological sex, recently, was an example of how strong women are. And how vicious some men and handmaidens are.

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PandoraSocks · 26/08/2025 15:20

@Absentmindedsmile your post of 14:59 was an absolute disgrace and I am so glad MNHQ zapped it.

Lavender14 · 26/08/2025 15:20

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 26/08/2025 15:18

In that case where were the two immigrants in your post from?

Does it matter since they aren't exactly representative of that particular demographic as a whole? I have no interest in inciting a pile on in that respect. Why do you ask?

homeedhorrors · 26/08/2025 15:20

Absentmindedsmile · 26/08/2025 15:15

Sorry this is idiotic reasoning. I’ve been heavily involved with preventing / addressing VAWG. British men are bad enough. What we do not need is to make the situation for women and girls, much much worse. I find your attitude bigoted and racist. But, it’s an attitude easily slipped into. I can see that.

What's idiotic? If you are so involved with addressing VAWG you'll know how widespread it is, it hasn't suddenly become a massive problem. It's always been there. Not sure how I've been racist or bigoted...

PhilippaGeorgiou · 26/08/2025 15:21

Absentmindedsmile · 26/08/2025 15:15

Sorry this is idiotic reasoning. I’ve been heavily involved with preventing / addressing VAWG. British men are bad enough. What we do not need is to make the situation for women and girls, much much worse. I find your attitude bigoted and racist. But, it’s an attitude easily slipped into. I can see that.

Wow, and there's the mask slipping. British men attack women and girls in far greater number, but only the non-British men are the problem. Virtually every major VAWG group in the country has taken a stand against weaponising VAWG by racists - and you are accusing people arguing exactly that as racists and bigots?

https://www.endviolenceagainstwomen.org.uk/100-womens-rights-groups-warn-against-racist-weaponisation-of-vawg/

100+ women’s rights groups warn against racist weaponisation of VAWG | End Violence Against Women

The End Violence Against Women Coalition is one of more than 100 women’s rights groups that have today (19th August 2025) written a joint letter to the Prime Minister calling for urgent action against the weaponisation of violence against women and gir...

https://www.endviolenceagainstwomen.org.uk/100-womens-rights-groups-warn-against-racist-weaponisation-of-vawg/

Absentmindedsmile · 26/08/2025 15:21

PandoraSocks · 26/08/2025 15:20

@Absentmindedsmile your post of 14:59 was an absolute disgrace and I am so glad MNHQ zapped it.

What did it say?

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Absentmindedsmile · 26/08/2025 15:22

@PhilippaGeorgiou
‘Wow, and there's the mask slipping. British men attack women and girls in far greater number, but only the non-British men are the problem’

Honestly, I’m embarrassed for you at this point.

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