Why are governments putting women and girls at higher risk of sex crimes?

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Fact: Hundreds of thousands of men are entering Europe (as in the continent), from countries where women and girls are second class citizens.
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Fact: The sex crime rate statistics associated with different nationalities living in the UK have been published. An example is provided below.
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….the [sex crime] rates, based on convictions per 10,000 of the population put Afghans, with 77 convictions, at the top with a rate of 59 per 10,000 – 22.3 times that of Britons.
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They were followed by Eritreans, who accounted for 59 convictions at a rate of 53.6 per 10,000 of their population.
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Britons accounted for 12,619 sex offence convictions, representing a rate of 2.66 per per 10,000 of their population in England and Wales.
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https://archive.md/6AXAy Archive version
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Fact: This example data blows up any erroneous claims from people suggesting that British men commit more sex crimes when numbers in the population are accounted for / are more likely to commit a sex crime.
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There’s above is factual data. It is not racist to provide it. To claim this, is quite simply, wrong. Perhaps it’s projection, the mind boggles.

To want ‘no debate’ and bleet on with incorrectly placed accusations of racism, is to shut down people’s valid concerns.

Tin hat on for the people who want no debate on this issue, and instead of protecting women and girls, insist on protecting men from countries where women and girls are treated as second class citizens.

More data has been promised.
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This immediately tells me that you may be ill informed on the reality of the journey they take to get here and what that journey would be like as a woman or a girl.

Many of the men are here in order to create a means of safer passage for female or elderly family in order to get them out. It makes complete sense that you'd send a strong young man instead of someone who may be seen as more vulnerable to exploitation.

They have not been discredited. MN has even explicitly posted that they are figures from official sources.
It is disingenuous (at best) to obfuscate by endlessly parroting that crimes have also been committed by ‘white’ men. The OP didn’t say they weren’t. The point is that we should not be actively importing more criminality.

Because the living conditions in European countries are very poor and can be dangerous and many European countries are so hostile to asylum seekers that the police enforce illegal push backs which the government know about and do nothing to manage. Would you want to stay in a country where the police tried to literally drown you at point of arrival? You're cool with living in a makeshift shelter with loads of other people and no secure front door? You'd trust those governments with your application knowing your family's survival is dependent on it getting approved? What if you know a family member had been seperated from you on the journey and is now missing would you not want to try to get to your agreed destination to see if you can track them from there? People come here looking dignity and security most of the time.

Migrants risk their lives to come here because it is easy to get work (labour regulation is much heavier in EU countries), we give accommodation and more generous benefit, processing is slow, there is a big processing backlog, and we don't have ID cards so it's easy to get lost. All five are in our control.

Yes I agree with you completely, it's shocking and shouldn't be happening.

You haven’t noticed how much many of your own Countrymen hate women and girls then? How about you focus on that? Or are you only bothered about “foreign” men? Don’t bother answering I think we all know….

OP has gone very quiet.

. . . and mumsnet hq just deleted me for calling op a racist. You couldn't make it up

She's busy joining Amnesty International 😄

But none of the statistics mentioned have discussed asylum seekers? So why are we talking about them here?

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You’re absolutely right that ALL men are capable of violence against women but SOME men are statistically more prevalent which is the point OP is making - quite badly judging by her multiple post deletions 🤣

Have we actually got accurate data being collated? ( I have asked this already but I don’t think anyone answered). If we found a source we were all happy to rely upon, it would be interesting to debate it. There’s no point in debating stats that most people are saying aren’t accurate.

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"It’s bad luck for the migrant men who are not sex offenders"

We could also treat men here as if they are guilty until proven innocent but we don't because it would be an abuse of their human rights. We used to deport any criminal citizen who was seen as undesirable to Australia. But now we recognise that deporting people we just don't want to deal with is unethical and an abuse of that individuals rights.

Funnily enough the right to seek asylum is also a human right. But you're cool with the abuse of that human right because you don't think you owe migrants anything. That's telling.

It's also interesting given that the UK has been heavily involved over the years in the creation of the instability in many of the countries we are now seeing asylum seekers arriving from. But we don't owe them anything.

You're speaking from a place of immense privilege in saying what you have. It's not all that long ago many people where I live were fleeing the troubles and emigrating to get away from the conflict here. Or during the 'famine' in Ireland when many people sought refuge in other countries. The UK has over the years created many, many asylum seekers and refugees so to me it's very ironic you think we owe them nothing.

Why are you addressing that question to me only? I understand the statistics in the original post to include asylum seekers.

That’s a personal attack. You believe she may be a racist judging by some of her posts on this thread.

I will call it out every time and shall consider it a badge of honour that I do.

It’s possible to be concerned about both things simultaneously.

In your opinion. Always your opinion.

Oh I'm perfectly aware thank you.

That awareness is why it boggles my mind that you say you work to promote the ending of violence against women and girls and yet you would shut down the safer path for the women and girls in those countries to escape via a male relative getting refugee status and using the family resettlement scheme. What you should maybe say is that you work against violence against some women and* *girls .

Because it’s a personal attack! Good lord it’s as though no one bothers reading the sign up TCs! 🤦🏻‍♀️. You’re all going to get yourself banned at this rate.

Has anyone seen that Reform is planning to pay the Taliban?

Because your post was about asylum seekers. There are no stats on the rates of criminal conviction within this population, the home office don't keep them.