Why are governments putting women and girls at higher risk of sex crimes?

[Absentmindedsmile]

Fact: Hundreds of thousands of men are entering Europe (as in the continent), from countries where women and girls are second class citizens.
**
Fact: The sex crime rate statistics associated with different nationalities living in the UK have been published. An example is provided below.
**
**Facts:
….the [sex crime] rates, based on convictions per 10,000 of the population put Afghans, with 77 convictions, at the top with a rate of 59 per 10,000 – 22.3 times that of Britons.
**
They were followed by Eritreans, who accounted for 59 convictions at a rate of 53.6 per 10,000 of their population.
**
Britons accounted for 12,619 sex offence convictions, representing a rate of 2.66 per per 10,000 of their population in England and Wales.
**
https://archive.md/6AXAy Archive version
**
Fact: This example data blows up any erroneous claims from people suggesting that British men commit more sex crimes when numbers in the population are accounted for / are more likely to commit a sex crime.
**
There’s above is factual data. It is not racist to provide it. To claim this, is quite simply, wrong. Perhaps it’s projection, the mind boggles.

To want ‘no debate’ and bleet on with incorrectly placed accusations of racism, is to shut down people’s valid concerns.

Tin hat on for the people who want no debate on this issue, and instead of protecting women and girls, insist on protecting men from countries where women and girls are treated as second class citizens.

More data has been promised.
**
**

Thank you, you have just perfectly proved my point about MNHQ's comment unintentionally (I think!) giving credibility to the disinformation posted by the OP. You have focused exclusively on the source of the raw numbers and missed the point that those numbers have been manipulated misrepresent the facts. Which is exactly what I was complaining about.

I am not disputing that the raw data came from official sources or trying to obfuscate anything, I'm disputing the way in which the data has been misinterpreted and misrepresented.

I missed what the pp said.

But how is calling someone a racist a personal attack, exactly? And how are we supposed to "challenge on the thread" if we can't call out racism when we see it?

Tbf I think the only poster on this thread in danger of being banned is OP, although I suspect that may have already happened.

It’s how you write it. We all have opinions and in your opinion you might believe that someone’s posts are racist or bigoted but by attributing the word to them as a label you are defaming them directly which could have legal consequences for you abd mumsnet. Hence the posts being deleted.

Multiple post deletions can lead to banning. I’ll post the T&Cs

www.mumsnet.com/i/netiquette

Maybe think of it like if you were gentle parenting a child you might say Oh that behaviour is naughty, as opposed to YOU are naughty.

Though personally I think racist language and opinions tend not to come from people who are not actually racist. They're being said for a reason.

Foi is the nearest we have to factual figures. Its not the full picture bc police don't always report the ethnicity due to ?? Concerns of apearing racist - the grooming gangs for example.
And obviously not all crimes are reported or documented when they are.
But freedom of information figures are the most likely to paint a shape that reflects reality, - people who would discredit this bc the person who put in the request was linked to reform well the freedom of information would be the same if you put in the request.

That's not something that would change. But the 'ivory tower' lot don't want to acknowledge anything uncomfortable.
So of course someone anti immigration would be applying for statistics. When you get them you won't look at the bc of who put in the request. But no body sticking their head in the sand and fingers on there ears would be applying for these figures in the first place. So very convenient for people would don't want to know.

Yet we have poster after poster writing all sorts of made-up shit about migrants and they don't have to clarify that they are simply expressing "their opinion".

And BTW, it's only defamatory if it isn't actually true. There is nothing illegal about calling a racist a racist.

If you work in the field, you know that scores of VAWAG organisations have called for a stop to the weaponisation of VAWAG which is being used to promote far right ideology.
https://www.endviolenceagainstwomen.org.uk/new-guide-to-challenging-the-far-rights-weaponisation-of-gender-based-violence/

Perhaps read tft. Just a suggestion..

Aw bless. I’ve been working.

If that were to happen, UK citizens would have blood on their hands. Ditto if asylum seekers were returned to Eritrea. It would have a severely detrimental effect on the UK's international standing.

There is, unsurprisingly, no mention by Farage of establishing a legal route for asylum seekers. Suella Braverman stumbled over this when Home Secretary. Perversely, a legal route and swift processing would deter economic migrants with low skills but permit us to treat with compassion those escaping war, real threat of death etc.

Ah, MNHQ is merciful and we have the continued pleasure of your company!

Well not ‘scores’ that’s not true is it? why are you exaggerating? For perceived effect? I’ve only presented facts, for example. Do that.

Such organisations also understand the differences between bigoted racists, and people who are concerned with women and girls’ safety. A feat which you so far, have not achieved.

But mumsnet has written up some rules that they’ve asked posters to abide by and one of those is ‘no personal attacks’. So whilst you may want to stand up and declare that someone is the label you’ve declared them as, Mumsnet would rather you didn’t do it on their site.

As for the rest of it, it sounds like your opinion again 🤷‍♀️

I do believe you’ve entered my thread. Feel free to leave at any time. Of course if you do leave you must announce your departure airport lounge style. As is the MN habit of many, I’ve noticed.

I’d love you to stay though. 🤗 ❤️

Are rates per 100 000 higher because a higher proportion of (say) Eritreans here are youngish men - is it higher than for British males of same age profile?

https://pressgazette.co.uk/the-wire/newspaper-corrections-media-mistakes-errors-legal/telegraph-sex-crimes-foreigners-headline-ipso-ruling/

I mean they turned a blind eye because they didn't want to cause racial tensio
ns and that's now documented

"People who are concerned with women and girls’ safety" You keep saying this OP but which women and girls op? Ever heard the saying if it's not intersectional it's not feminism? You can't promote the safety of women and girls in one area at the direct expense of women and girls in another which is what you're talking about doing. I don't know of a single organisation who are working in this field (and I collaborate with many of them) who aren't calling this type of thinking out. I mean it's the very reason why many of these organisations have worked to lobby for the laws we now have enabling trafficked or vulnerable women to get right to remain and accompanying support? By what you're suggesting here they shouldn't in order to cut down on all the male migrants? Or are you suggesting we discriminate against migrants based on sex?

Oh for crying out loud. Use your brain.

https://news.sky.com/story/fact-checking-farage-are-foreigners-more-likely-than-britons-to-commit-sexual-offences-13407029

The number of sexual offence convictions of foreign nationals has increased by 62 per cent in four years, according to new data revealing the scale of migrant crime.

Foreign nationals account for one in seven (14.1 per cent) of sexual offence convictions last year, including rapes, according to the Ministry of Justice (MoJ) data drawn from the Police National Computer (PNC).

The rate of increase between 2021 and 2024 is higher than for British nationals, whose sexual offence convictions rose by 39.3 per cent over the same period, according to the figures obtained under Freedom of Information laws.

A similar pattern emerged for other offences, where convictions for theft by foreign nationals have risen by 77.9 per cent since 2021, against 55.8 per cent for British nationals. Robbery convictions recorded for foreign nationals increased by 18.9 per cent against 2.8 per cent by British nationals.

The nationalities with the highest number of convictions for sexual offences last year were Indians (with 100), Romanians (92), Poles (83), Pakistanis (56), Afghans (43), Nigerians (40), Sudanese (37), Bangladeshi (34) and Portuguese (33).

Using the welfare of women and girls now for the anti-immigration stance, really clutching. Politicians need to tackle the epidemic of misogyny and violence against women caused by their own male population first!

I'm not exaggerating:
https://www.rainbowmigration.org.uk/news/end-the-weaponisation-of-violence-against-women-and-girls/

Such organisations understand when such a serious subject is used by those with an agenda and find it offensive. Protesting with the far right, many of whom have domestic abuse convictions, speaks for itself.

People who are concerned about the safety of women, don't write inflammatory posts that make them feel unsafe.