Why are governments putting women and girls at higher risk of sex crimes?

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Fact: Hundreds of thousands of men are entering Europe (as in the continent), from countries where women and girls are second class citizens.
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Fact: The sex crime rate statistics associated with different nationalities living in the UK have been published. An example is provided below.
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….the [sex crime] rates, based on convictions per 10,000 of the population put Afghans, with 77 convictions, at the top with a rate of 59 per 10,000 – 22.3 times that of Britons.
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They were followed by Eritreans, who accounted for 59 convictions at a rate of 53.6 per 10,000 of their population.
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Britons accounted for 12,619 sex offence convictions, representing a rate of 2.66 per per 10,000 of their population in England and Wales.
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https://archive.md/6AXAy Archive version
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Fact: This example data blows up any erroneous claims from people suggesting that British men commit more sex crimes when numbers in the population are accounted for / are more likely to commit a sex crime.
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There’s above is factual data. It is not racist to provide it. To claim this, is quite simply, wrong. Perhaps it’s projection, the mind boggles.

To want ‘no debate’ and bleet on with incorrectly placed accusations of racism, is to shut down people’s valid concerns.

Tin hat on for the people who want no debate on this issue, and instead of protecting women and girls, insist on protecting men from countries where women and girls are treated as second class citizens.

More data has been promised.
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Possibly.

I wonder if it was men being sexually attacked / raped / at risk - would it be as acceptable a risk.

When those statistics talk about the rate per population, is that the rate per population on the UK of that nationality? Because if we know more men than women of, say, Eritrean nationality are in the UK then that skews the statistics. More men is going to equal a higher rate of crime.that men commit (sexual assault) per population than if the population is 50/50 male and female.

A extra bit of context which I feel needs adding.

The impressively named "Centre for Migration Control" is the trading name of Athelney Campaigns Ltd. A one man band run by Robert Bates

Who is (big shock coming) a Reform activist.

Eta:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/aug/05/disputed-or-debunked-claims-about-migration-and-crime-uk

Fact-checking Farage: Are foreigners more likely than Britons to commit sexual offences? | Politics News | Sky News https://news.sky.com/story/fact-checking-farage-are-foreigners-more-likely-than-britons-to-commit-sexual-offences-13407029

Sadly for your desired narrative, that doesn’t change the data.

Not sure what that has to do with my OP. But I’ll answer in good faith.

Men should not be placed in women’s prisons.

Good luck trying to get British people to understand the concept of per capita or disproportionality.

The Centre for Migration Control is a (one man) think tank committed to controlling and dramatically reducing migration to Britain.

So not exactly impartial.

Don't ruin it for the racist xenophobes! The ones who believe that women have never been victims of sexual harassment/abuse until a single black man moved into the street. I especially love the addendum of "(illegals)...who come from countries where women are second class citizens...". Domestic violence in the UK is overwhelmingly gendered, male to female.

Please read the links and understand that your data is misrepresenting the facts. And then please stop spreading disinformation with an intent to stir up racial hatred.

FOIs obtained and interpreted by the Centre for Migration Control. A think tank committed to controlling and dramatically reducing migration to Britain.

So not impartial.

"To want ‘no debate’ and bleet on with incorrectly placed accusations of racism, is to shut down people’s valid concerns. Tin hat on for the people who want no debate on this issue, and instead of protecting women and girls, insist on protecting men from countries where women and girls are treated as second class citizens."

Surely you can see the irony of this OP? You're calling out people for not wanting to engage in debate while simultaneously and automatically dismissing anyone who might disagree with you.

"I wonder if it was men being sexually attacked / raped / at risk - would it be as acceptable a risk." You do realise that high, high numbers of asylum seeking men are sexually assaulted and exploited during the journey here yes?

And many are leaving countries because of the extremists who are perpetuating violence against women - most want to get away from it and get their loved ones away from it- not bring it here.

Do you know any asylum seekers personally op?

That channel 4 fact checking article is really helpful and suggests that the difference between foreign and British men is less than Farage claims but still there (3 times vs 22 times). The data are obviously flawed but clearly warrant more analysis.

I think a lot of people objecting to this discussion think that there’s no difference and therefore no problem. But if there is a difference, what then? That surely warrants consideration.

So what do you think should happen as a result of this finding op?

Just because statistics can be manipulated it doesn’t mean you just ignore them. If it’s true that rates are higher (and I haven’t checked) that’s a problem.

No, it doesn't mean you just ignore them. It doesn't mean that you believe them unerringly either. You could, for example, ingnoring even the obvious flaws that have been well rehearsed on just about every other thread, think about a few more things:

• It is estimated that 83% of sexual violence incidents go unreported to the police. In 2022 the ONS estimated that 1.1 million sexual assualts occured, mostly against women and girls, and that few of those were reported. Would you like to bet that sexual assaults committed by people with dark skin and funny accents are more likely to be reported than those by some white bloke with a British accent? Even if, for no other reason than that victims think they are more likely to be believed if the perpetraror is not from the UK?
• Given the demographics of the UK, the vast majority of those unreported assualts are committed by white men, because the statistics we do have show that to be the case, and logical extrapolation says that this must be the case.
• The "facts" are based on convictions. Whilst statistics on sexual assault broadly are not available, less than 5% of rape allegations in England and Wales end in a conviction. The number even prosecuted are massivelt below the numbers reported (and remember that most aren't reported). Most rapists are known to their victim (an estimated 60% of cases), and these are victims most likely to withdraw or where evidence may be insufficient. We can assume that broader sexual assault convictions are similarly skewed.
• Justice is not blind. Evidence from both the UK and the USA shows that POC are more likley to be arrested and more likely to be convicted. That doesn't make them innocent. It just means that nice white men are less likley to be arrested, prosecuted or convicted.
• Again, whilst not saying that a migrant is innocent, the rhetoric and narratives like the ones on this thread filter into consciousness - there is inevitably going to be a bias in the minds of police officers, judges and juries. Put simply, if you are convinced that Afghan men are more likley to sexually assault women, it is almost impossible to entiely erase that prejudice from your mind, as as a jury member that will play into deliberations and impact on how you weigh the evidence. Despite the fact that we all know that men generally are capable of sexual violence, we do not usually start from the point of thinking men generally will commit sexual violence.

I could continue to pick holes, but I won't. The fact is that the "facts" have enough holes in them to drive a coach and horses, followed by a rampaging herd of elephants through them. If what you start out with is an opinion, then go looking for facts to support it, you will always find them. I used to know (and mostly attempted to avoid) someone who was into all the great conspiracy theories. There was absolutely no point at all in taking to him about the how the earth wasn't flat, planes were not leaving chem trails, there were no nanobots in the Coivid vaccine etc.etc - because he had loads of "facts" that proved all these things.

Life is never as simple as "facts" would have us believe, and judging an entire group of people based on a few of them is madness.

I have seen data that indicates that the highest prevalence is among those of Pakistani origin but I’ve also seen evidence that the data sets were flawed because not all police forces record ethnicity on arrest information and there’s a flawed justice system ton which means that the low level crimes may be dealt with by way of cautions if you can afford representation. Lies damned lies and statistics.

what we do know is that Pakistani grooming gangs did target white vulnerable girls but we don’t know if it was essentially a local sub culture situation.

it’s incredibly complicated and not a reason to shun our obligations to refugees (the grooming gangs were British citizens) but ensuring cultural lessons are compulsory to all those seeking to live here is wife, learning the language to a high level of competency is a good starting point and existing communities integrating with newcomers to ensure they know they are wanted, much less likely to be a criminal if settled

DV has always been a problem. For some though it's only problematic when the perpetrator isn't white. Is there the same concern towards protecting our women and girls when the perpetrator is white? I read something recently regarding the British colonialists historically positioning Black men as sexual savages and the women as insatiable. It made a lot of sense as to why there is suddenly so much rhetoric around "our daughters can't play on the street anymore". It's pure racism.

I've had similar experiences to both of those things, committed by white, Irish men in Dublin. Yes some immigrants are committing these crimes but so are white British men.

https://www.endviolenceagainstwomen.org.uk/100-womens-rights-groups-warn-against-racist-weaponisation-of-vawg/

That’s an excellent question. I don’t know what ‘should happen’. Probably the best they could do is set up a public enquiry with actions from the findings.

I’m not a politician. I just pay for them along with every other tax payer. They work for us after all - or at least they’re supposed to.

Having said that they barely reacted when little girls were consistently raped in Rochdale by Pakistani grooming gangs.. So what are our chances here. As I said earlier, would there be more motivation if the people at risk, were men. If men were being raped and sexually attacked.

Nobody is denying that some asylum seekers commit crime. But so do many, many British born men.
40% of the men arrested for rioting last year had convictions.

Oh, we are into anecdote land rather than facts now are we? Two asylum seekers were sitting on a bench, once, discussing throwing a surprise birthday party for a friend. They were reorted to the police and had their photos put up on Facebook as sexual predators because the bench was 200 yards from a play area. The white bloke who sits on the bench by the play area, jerking off in full view of women and children on multiple occasions, has been reported on multiple occasions, he has been "spoken to" and never anything further, and the people at the cafe just outside the park area all know who he is and thinks it's a great joke. I have reported him 5 times myself just over the school summer holiday, and I know other women who have reoprted him to no avail.

I used to enjoy mumsnet for healthy debates and gossip. I came off X/Twitter because of the right wing lies and it seems mumsnet is going the same way. I despair and worry about the kids I teach that are refugees being subjected to more trauma to add to what they have already faced.

It’s disturbing - or a sign of the times perhaps, that you seem to think facts make people eg. racist. Debate is about facts, one hopes. To deny them is to close down debate.