Illegal Immigrants In Hotels

[Goldengirl123]

What are your thoughts?

This such a complex issue and you don’t seem to have a good grasp of many of the issues.

As someone upthread has already said, homelessness in this country is often multifactorial and not just a case of ‘I don’t have a house’, it goes hand in hand with substance misuse and complex mental health issues. There is often accommodation available but comes with caveats around drug / alcohol use and behaviour that some people cannot meet.

Families scratch together what money they can to send the person most likely to successfully make the journey (often months of very difficult travel encountering no end of hostility along the way) and then be able to find work and earn money at the end of the journey - it’s no surprise this is often healthy young men. Young women and children would be so vulnerable making these journeys. Once they are able to work, many will send money back home to support their families, or try to bring their families here.

There ARE plenty of women and families living in these hotels, I have colleagues who go into these hotels in a healthcare capacity, often the families there have escaped terrible situations and risked everything, and now they have come to a place of safety hoping to raise their children in peace and safety, which surely is all any of us want, only to be hounded by a baying mob.

Despite what the media might tell you, they are not enjoying five-star luxury in these hotels, they are given very basic food, have virtually no money and no thing to do.

Instead of demonising people who aren’t as lucky as ourselves, we COULD help them to be productive and useful members of society. We could fund English lessons, and if a job is unfulfilled after two months say, then an asylum seeker could take it. Then they could pay tax, spend money in the local economy, make friends, build a life.

They’re just people you know, they just want to be safe.

Agree - it’s quite pathetic that these young men don’t stay home to sort out heir own country. They need to go back to their own country.

I am happy for legal migrants who come via proper channels.

Hate to break it to you, but this country has always had a homeless population, way before “these people” arrived.

What’s your plan OP? How are you going to rectify this abhorrent situation?

If you genuinely do charity work for the homeless, surely you already know that homelessness is an extremely complex issue, usually with a root of mental health problems and subsequent addiction, and rarely solved just by providing a bed?

I wonder how delighted some posters would be if a homeless hotel or a halfway house popped up on their street. I'm sure they'd be just fine with that because they're not immigrants and pose no risk to the community.

They are not in a radisson - they are what used to be a radisson hotel.

you don’t believe the government are paying £250 a night and they’re getting room service and spa access? 🤣

it’s just a building. It now has no worth as a hotel.

They are all middle class lefties who probably live in all the villages that are unaffected by illegal migration or stuck at home single women with nothing better to do.

The homeless you see on the streets can all access accommodation and food. Some of them do. As has been said they choose to beg for money, not to buy food or pay rent, but to buy drugs/alcohol/cigarettes etc. Some homeless people choose to sleep rough for various reasons.
I don’t give money to beggars, plenty of them are put there by organised criminals.
My point of view is that there are indigenous enough scroungers without welcoming anyone else here.
I also feel we give far to much to those who choose not to contribute in any positive way to society.

I don't like it at all. We shouldn't be taking any refugees in this country while so many of our own people are struggling. And I believe this issue will largely decide the next general election. Labour can't bury their heads in the sand and rely on calling people "ignorant" or "evil" for not wanting it.

I do genuinely do fund raising for many charities

People who are comfortably off and have no empathy with those who aren’t (especially white British working class) will always defend this and consider themselves virtuous doing so.

But the reality is we are spending a ridiculous amount of money putting these people in a position of comfort way above the basic level that we, as a welfare state, guarantee our own citizens.

These are often 3 star hotels, which would normally be well over £150 per night, especially including full board. Of course, the government pay a bit less as they guarantee 100% occupancy 365 day a year. The hotels are massive money spinners for the owners!

Many will be cold and hungry this winter whilst asylum seekers are basking in 22 degrees and having 3 hot meals a day.

I am all for being tolerant and allowing genuine asylum seekers to make their case, but this shouldn’t neither take forever, nor be allowed to be manipulated by deliberate document destruction and endless appeals.

Anyone who can’t see why these hotels cause resentment has no idea how the vast majority of the country live.

And this has zero to do with racism or being ‘far right’.

I think we should have strict border control. You can’t enter unless you will add positively to the country.

Npnsense. Most are from safe countries and take an arduous two flights. A minority pay a trafficker 5k for a boat ride from France. Their wives and children are at home. The people in the refugee camps don’t have the means to book flights or pay a trafficker.

An illegal immigrant is someone who has claimed asylum and or the right to remain (visa) and has been refused and then disappeared before being deported.

They are a small minority.

International law allows anyone to seek asylum anywhere in the world if they are fleeing persecution. We could go anywhere and claim asylum - thing is we are unlikely to be granted it as the U.K. isn’t considered an unsafe country. Afghanistan for example is.

Does that mean we can get rid of a hefty amount of British citizens? It would improve things very quickly!

Rising rents,domestic abuse, relationship breakdowns, job losses, post covid, no military aftercare, no long stay mental health units, sofa surfing, staying with friends and family, the list is endless.

Just a thought, why are they coming over from France? France is a safe country. Could it be the benefits/ free NHS etc and that were a soft touch?
if there legally entitled to asylum then go through the correct channels.
we are full up! We’re only a small island.

Yeah, yet another thread started to shit stir and get people frothing 🙄

Excellent post 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

If they’re removed they’ll be put in private rentals and then there will be no houses to rent. 🤷🏻‍♀️. Which will surely be worse.

@Newbutoldfather What you’ve written is dripping with racism, whether you admit it or not. Asylum seekers aren’t being pampered in luxury hotels, they’re crammed into temporary, inadequate rooms with no choice and no freedom because the government has failed to process claims quickly. Calling that “comfort” is insulting.

Dragging “white British working class” into it is the giveaway. That isn’t about empathy, it’s about trying to pit people against each other along racial lines. The housing crisis, poverty and hunger in this country are the result of years of political neglect and austerity, not a few thousand desperate families fleeing war.

Your “£150 a night hotel” argument is a myth. The government pays bulk rates to dump people in whatever empty spaces they can find because they’ve created a backlog that leaves asylum seekers stuck in limbo for years. If owners are profiteering, blame the government, not the people who have lost everything.

As for people “basking in 22 degrees with 3 hot meals a day,” the sneering language says it all. Nobody fleeing war, torture or persecution is “basking.” They’re surviving.

And the line “this has nothing to do with racism” is laughable. When you single out refugees, strip them of dignity, and pit them against “white British” people, that is exactly what it is. Racist scapegoating.

The truth is, the government could fix homelessness and support asylum seekers at the same time if they wanted to. There is enough money. The problem isn’t refugees. It’s corruption, austerity and people who would rather punch down than look up.

@itsgettingweirdhow do you know it’s a small minority if they disappear?

As for why hoteliers choose to house asylum seekers. They get oaud handsomely for it. It is a guaranteed income. They are guaranteed to receive x amount, which is paid by the tax payer. When they leave the tax payer then pays for a complete refurb.
Weddings etc are never guaranteed and are quite a lot of hassle for the business owner.
So what if no one else visits their hotel whilst the asylum seekers are there? They get paid far more than they would make from a couple of weddings a month.

I give to homeless charities all year round, as I know someone very close who nearly ended up on the streets. I also buy food for anyone homeless I see on the streets when in a n area that has them. (Usually when I am visiting London or another large city) so let’s hope all those on here who have just said’what about our homeless?’ Also do so…

I live in a gated area so doesn't affect me.