Illegal Immigrants In Hotels

[Goldengirl123]

What are your thoughts?

Why is the advice for those who don't immediately disagree with hotel housing being we have to house them? What about you volunteer at the hotels and see if the story you are spreading is, indeed, accurate?

You'd have a somewhat more nuanced idea of the complexities of homelessness then.

The sudden wave of sympathy for the homeless on MN and more widely is interesting, to say the least. It's not that long since Braverman was endorsing taking tents away and since a homeless man was hosed down outside McDonalds. Don't remember threads of outrage.

Absolutely not! If you had bothered to read my posts I have explained why

Why are they risking their lives to come from a safe country?

I don’t understand why people are suddenly hysterical about them when the weren’t when A were housed in detention centres

First off, they’re not illegal.

Just like if you went over to France, you’d be an immigrant, no matter how you got there, EasyJet or kayak. Don’t fall for the right-wing lies and scapegoating.

Anyone is allowed to come to this country. It’s what you do when you get here that matters. Anyone is allowed to apply for asylum and have their application assessed.

it’s not an immigrants fault most of the staff assessing claims were moved from their jobs to managing the car crash which was, and is, Brexit. This led to a huge backlog in assessments. This added to the fact the EU based agreement, that France has to take back the majority of asylum seekers, ended due to Brexit, means numbers waiting have exploded.

Unfortunately our system does not allow asylum applicants to seek employment, so all the valuable professionals are stuck in squalid conditions unable to help fund their own care. If they do seek employment that is when they have done something illegal.

So unless they do something against our laws, they are NOT illegal. It’s just a term applied to them by those wanting you to be angry about it.

What I really worry about is what the hullabaloo about immigrants is being used to distract us from. A millionaire (German family) owns a private company, masquerading as a political party, has cost this country billions, and is now running around saying sell the NHS and be afraid/blame these people over here - they’re a different colour so they must be bad. People actually listen to him. THAT is scary!

They are failed businesses
they can no longer operate as hotels

they’re hotels that likely didn’t recover from covid

something for the owners to do with the site whilst keeping the land.

What is an illegal immigrant, I’m not being difficult I truly don’t know? I didn’t think we could have illegal immigrants in this country I thought they were either immigrants or asylum seekers

You don’t understand why sharing your bigoted views on a public forum brings a negative reaction? Pull the other one OP.
You’re allowed your opinion, it doesn’t mean anyone has to respect it.

@Goldengirl123your sort of racists don’t really come out and admit they are racist. You are being attacked because you deserve it. You have more in common with those people fleeing than you do the politicians telling you to be scared but you will be too close minded to see that.

They’re living in luxury hotels while our veterans are on the street.

They’re a danger to our women and children.

If you lefties want them here, let them live in your house then.

etc.

Meanwhile, half the male protestors are domestic violence perpetrators with massive anger issues whose only concern about women and girls is that these strange brown people might try and take their property.

Meanwhile, they walk past homeless veterans on the streets without a sideways glance and complain that their taxes pay towards benefits for the disabled.

The faux concern for others as a means to legitimise hatred is sickening. It makes me feel very unsafe. It’s not the immigrants we should be afraid of.

Most of the users on mumsnet are middle class and will never have to deal with the effects of mass migration in their vicinity. Quick enough to shame people about their views, but I don't see them opening their homes and wallets to migrants.

It’s a symptom of the absolute mess of the asylum system and the massive backlog. What should happen is arrive - process - grant asylum and be permitted to work or deport. Quickly. (I know it’s not that simple)

But the enormous backlog means that there’s so many people stuck in a holding pattern that there’s an almighty mess that nobody now really knows how to sort out.

You are correct, asylum seekers are sometimes housed in hotels, illegal immigrants are held in detention centres. The OP should provide us with evidence of illegal immigrants being housed in hotels if the OP believes it is happening.

Radisson hotels are expensive. Surely temporary housing can be found rurally that would stick less in the eye on people.

The problem is nobody wants them as a neighbour. You can have empathy with their struggles but they come from cultures where the misogynie is blatant and western women seen as prostitutes because we don't cover up. I have been on the receiving end from groups of migrants intimidating me and luckily someone intervened but I was very afraid and do not trust the majority of them, especially not in groups.

Believe me, I’ve worked with asylum seeking families. It’s awful. These hotels are not comfortable and it’s hideous living in them.

I live in a town with one but on the other side of town. They were targeted by mobs last summer ( no where near the violence seen in the North) and sujected to hate and discrimination daily.

I don't see them as any thing other than displaced human beings waiting for a slow broken system to process them and given them status. Yes, the vast majority are men who are the ones most likely to be prosecuted, harmed and targeted/gang pressed by whatever regime they have escaped from. They come in the hope of a better future and to bring/help their families. I cannot even begin to imagine the hardship and costs they have faced to make it onto another hostile shore. They are human beings who have had the misfortune to be born where they were.

They need to be processed, given or allowed to have purpose and to actually live their lives. They are all but prisoners. And I'm positive that turns them to violence, drugs/alcohol etc. They are most likely more fusterated than we are. They are held and hated. Which in turn will make them hate and be hostile to our systems. It's a vicious circle.

We should be angry at the system that has kept them like that and not them. They have dreams, hopes and aspirations just like you and me. They have not chosen to be hated, prosecuted and kept as detainees. They tried to choose liberty, freedom of speech and to live a fulfilled life. They've been deined all of those.

But then again we all need someone to blame and they are easy targets.

FWIW I'm an immigrant with indefinite leave to remain. I have chosen to live here, raise a family and try to be a productive member of society but due to my accent and the colour of my skin (and I'm from a country with better living standards than the UK)- I have seen the face of distrust, hate, prejudice and outright racism. It's disgusting. Stop trying to dress up "concern" - it's racism and xenophobia at best.

Believe me, I’ve worked with asylum seeking families. It’s awful. These hotels are not comfortable and it’s hideous living in them.

We are not wealthy though are we,we’re billions in debt, the 5 million a day to house these people doesn’t help,all the people for them, should let them live with them,problem solved.

The women and children are either back home or, often, in huge refugee camps in countries bordering the ones they’ve fled from. The journey to reach the UK is long and arduous and full of risks, it will involve a lot of walking, being smuggled into the back of trucks, crossing water in dinghies. The people who facilitate these journies are criminals smuggling people across borders illegally, many people get scammed. You have presumably seen the news stories about people being found dead in the back of lorries or drowning due to a capsized dinghy. It is dangerous for anybody but women, children and the elderly are more vulnerable than young men. Women in particular will be more vulnerable to being trafficked into the sex trade whilst they make the journey or to being sexually assaulted by the criminals they would need to collude with to cross borders. It’s still a dangerous journey for a man but not as dangerous as it would be for a woman or child.

Once a person has claimed asylum they are able to apply to have their family join them, so it is generally safer for a family to send young man to make the journey and for him to then apply to have his family brought over safely and legally, via a normal plane or ferry, than for them all to attempt to enter the country illegally to claim asylum.

In terms of our homeless population, there are shelters and other types of emergency accommodation available for people who are on the streets. However, they will almost all have a strict no drugs and no alcohol policy and anybody in breach of this won’t be able to stay. Unfortunately the majority of people sleeping regularly on the streets have issues with addiction and as such aren’t eligible for accommodation, this is of course a problem in itself and I agree one that needs addressing, but it’s not as simple as just saying why isn’t help and accommodation available for people who are rough sleeping.

It seems that if you ask a question about this you are automatically racist and wrong. No argument, no debate. That’s very worrying.

I feel obliged to let you know that this isn’t very useful. Do you have a professional skill? Policy, campaigning, finance, PR?

a homeless charity would benefit far more from this and it would support real change.

homelessness is the ultimate problem that throwing money at doesn’t resolve

Thank you for sharing your point. You have just given facts that I have found very interesting. The reason I started this thread was to get other people’s opinions and be more educated