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Illegal Immigrants In Hotels

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Goldengirl123 · 24/08/2025 10:42

What are your thoughts?

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Simonjt · 25/08/2025 07:39

Terrribletwos · 25/08/2025 07:25

I smoke myself so am not bothered if they smoke. I was just curious as cigarettes are expensive.

They are allocated 100 a week, they get the vouchers in the box for their new iphone.

TottyMaude · 25/08/2025 07:59

Winter2020 · 25/08/2025 00:10

Please say they'll be a second thread - I want to know more about the soft pallet and dentist burning.

😂

cumbriaisbest · 25/08/2025 08:01

Simonjt · 25/08/2025 07:39

They are allocated 100 a week, they get the vouchers in the box for their new iphone.

You know this how?

Simonjt · 25/08/2025 08:02

cumbriaisbest · 25/08/2025 08:01

You know this how?

oh dear 🤣

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 25/08/2025 08:03

cumbriaisbest · 25/08/2025 08:01

You know this how?

Simon is being facetious

cumbriaisbest · 25/08/2025 08:33

Apologies, so upset and sad today.

TottyMaude · 25/08/2025 08:41

Winter2020 · 24/08/2025 22:38

It was an effective strategy for people from Ukraine.

I think it's a very effective argument because it makes even the wokest of woke people consider why they might be happy to share their home with a woman and child from Ukraine but not an unknown young man from (enter name of country that in all liklihood is not known for it's tolerance, peace or respect for women). You don't want to risk a young male asylum seeker in your home but are very happy to risk thousands of them in our country.

Do I need to say it again? We pay our taxes, it is the government's responsibility to house asylum seekers, Ukrainian women, people who arrive on small boats, big boats or planes. It is not up to individuals to house strangers of any description in their own homes.

So people using "well, YOU put 'em up then" as an argument are trying to shut down sensible debate. It's like when a child has reached the end of their reasoning capabilites and shouts "you smell of poo".

Also, the Ukrainian scheme was taken up by mainly these:

  1. Men who are dirty shaggers with an Eastern European fetish.
  2. People who thought they would get a live-in maid.
  3. People who wanted to get their face/new kitchen/big house on Sky News.
floralnan · 25/08/2025 09:06

I skimmed most of the replies and there is lots of talk about money but if you live nearby this is the reality. I’ll attach 2 photos (may be pending) . Look how close these hotels are to the school. The mostly men residents to these hotels hand around outside making comments to the mums and girls. There have been various sexual assaults', one girl was only 11. People are scared for their children's safety.

Illegal Immigrants In Hotels
Illegal Immigrants In Hotels
MyObservations · 25/08/2025 09:09

WilfredsPies · 24/08/2025 17:54

@MyObservations

Actually, nothing like the Rwanda scheme There are differences, yes, but it’s not that far apart in terms of processing.

Yes, setting up a/some processing centres in France. I'm not suggesting it would be easy (not sure where you got that notion from) Err, from the person I was actually replying to?

I understand such a system had been discussed with the French but not taken forward And why do you think that might be?

As to taking responsibility for the potential migrants/asylum seekers, why would or should we, we don't now? They are already in France (or close to the Border at any rate) and when people apply for a visa from Europe we don't take responsibility for them We don’t take responsibility for them now because we haven’t agreed to process their claims. As I said above, when we’re telling people to make their way to a particular place in a third country for their claims to be considered, that third country is not going to want another ‘jungle’ established, where people are dependent on charities for food and washing in industrial waste (as was the situation previously). What do you think the chances of the French letting us go ahead with such a plan, unless we agree to take responsibility for them while they’re being processed? When people apply for visas, they have to demonstrate a certain financial capability (ie, that they can afford to support themselves here without recourse to public funds). It’s a ridiculous comparison.

It seems to me you can find reasons why not to try something different rather than to try something different. Currently there is no legal route save for HK Chinese, Afghans and one or 2 others but that's it, so why not have a legal route? I think it would be wonderful to have a legal route and eliminate traffickers and the dangers involved in travelling here. I just don’t believe that a centre in France is it, for the reasons I’ve given. And you haven’t given a realistic or sensible counter argument to any of them.

Well let me do that now. Clearly, this is speculation on both our parts but, to an extent, there's already a precedent. For example, we expect the people of France who want a visa for the UK for longer than the 180 days in 360, they to go to the Embassy or Consular Office. In so doing, we do not take responsibility for them in any way. That is already the model so why should it be any different? As to whether the French and/or Belgian authorities would allow it, we simply don't know but surely it is worth exploring? It does seem as though this is a problem that successive UK Govts have been unable to grasp since BREXIT so why not give it a chance?

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 25/08/2025 09:16

TottyMaude · 25/08/2025 08:41

Do I need to say it again? We pay our taxes, it is the government's responsibility to house asylum seekers, Ukrainian women, people who arrive on small boats, big boats or planes. It is not up to individuals to house strangers of any description in their own homes.

So people using "well, YOU put 'em up then" as an argument are trying to shut down sensible debate. It's like when a child has reached the end of their reasoning capabilites and shouts "you smell of poo".

Also, the Ukrainian scheme was taken up by mainly these:

  1. Men who are dirty shaggers with an Eastern European fetish.
  2. People who thought they would get a live-in maid.
  3. People who wanted to get their face/new kitchen/big house on Sky News.

Also, the Ukrainian scheme was taken up by mainly these:

  1. Men who are dirty shaggers with an Eastern European fetish.
  2. People who thought they would get a live-in maid.
  3. People who wanted to get their face/new kitchen/big house on Sky News.

Could you provide the statistics, evidence or research for this claim?

poetryandwine · 25/08/2025 09:43

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 25/08/2025 07:06

Having £49 a week with all bills covered means you’re much better off (financially) than someone on £79 per week who has to pay for their own food, bills etc.

The way forward in this situation is NOT pretending we don’t understand simple maths or statistics per capita or arguing about legal lexis.

Come on. Let’s stop deflecting and let’s have an honest conversation about this.

My HONEST opinion of this is that they’re BOTH pitiful amounts. They result in male asylum seekers seeking out illegal means of earning extra money. Yet another reason we don’t need more undocumented men here. We need a better deterrent for adult male asylum seekers entering the country while making entrance much easier for women and children.

Asylum seeker on &49/wk are responsible for their own food. The allowance drops to around £9/wk - you read that right - when meals are provided. And those meals can be shockingly bad.

poetryandwine · 25/08/2025 09:53

CoffeeLipstickKeys · 25/08/2025 00:14

Get it right, if you’re going to get all ain’t much difference.
UC rate:single and under 25 £316.98 pm single and 25 or over £400.14 pm
considerably less than £49 flat rate paid to asylum seeker

So maths isn’t your strong point? Or perhaps you wrote the opposite of what you meant, which can happen to anyone.

The daily rate for an asylum seeker on £49/week is £7. Assuming a 31 day month, the daily rate for a YP on UC is
316.98/31 = £10.23 and the daily rate for over 25s is £400.14/31= £12.91.

To be clear, in shorter months the daily rate for those on UC will go up slightly while the daily rate for asylum seekers will not change.

Liverpool2025 · 25/08/2025 09:54

Browniesforbreakfast · 24/08/2025 22:15

Loads of asylum seekers are young men from Iran. Iran has explicitly stated it wishes to harm the UK and called on its citizens to do so. How do we know that those young men are not agents of their state? What do we do to protect the UK whilst we assess their claims?

Because the young men who have had to leave everyone they love, had family members murdered by the government, not be able to phone home as they will murder the remaining members if they know they are speaking with them, have been horifically sexually attacked en route, to stay somewhere where people again attack them physically. It's not a great life here. They would rather be with loved ones if at all possible.

Browniesforbreakfast · 25/08/2025 10:05

Liverpool2025 · 25/08/2025 09:54

Because the young men who have had to leave everyone they love, had family members murdered by the government, not be able to phone home as they will murder the remaining members if they know they are speaking with them, have been horifically sexually attacked en route, to stay somewhere where people again attack them physically. It's not a great life here. They would rather be with loved ones if at all possible.

What test did you do to make sure they were that and not members of the Iranian National Guard? Anything? Or did you just assume they must be because some may be? MI5 have been warning of Iranian-backed terrorist activities within the UK.

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 25/08/2025 10:09

Browniesforbreakfast · 25/08/2025 10:05

What test did you do to make sure they were that and not members of the Iranian National Guard? Anything? Or did you just assume they must be because some may be? MI5 have been warning of Iranian-backed terrorist activities within the UK.

Source for that please?

Browniesforbreakfast · 25/08/2025 10:32

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 25/08/2025 10:09

Source for that please?

Here’s one:
https://hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2025-05-07/debates/3CBB9122-44BB-4FC7-9994-EF0EB8C16963/CounterTerrorismPolicingArrests

Browniesforbreakfast · 25/08/2025 10:33

But do you really have so little knowledge of global politics and history that you need me to post source that shows Iran is a threat to the UK?

Lavender14 · 25/08/2025 11:16

Livelovebehappy · 24/08/2025 19:47

And you're someone who provides a skill we need here. I'm not sure why you think any of the current concerns about immigration affects you? We want a reduction in immigration so that our infrastrugture is not overwhelmed, but we also want to encourage quality over quantity. A bit like how Australia and Canada fo things - a points system. I have relatives in Canada and enquired some years ago about emmigrating there. I failed on points. Which is fair enough.

"we also want to encourage quality over quantity. "

Imagine using such reductivist language about vulnerable human beings 🤮

Lavender14 · 25/08/2025 11:25

Namelessnelly · 24/08/2025 21:02

So you’d be one of those willing to house a couple of asylum seekers? If not, why not? If you’re so ok with people who have entered the country illegally being housed at taxpayers expense, surely you’d be fine with a couple of asylum seekers living with you and you supporting them?

Yes. If I had the space I would have no issue with this actually. I also work directly with asylum seekers and refugees and know many personally so I already do support them. I'm more than happy with the taxes I pay being used to support vulnerable people. Especially given that asylum seekers make up a very small percentage of overall immigration in the UK, entering a country to seek asylum is NOT illegal nor is being trafficked. And let's be honest, the majority of immigration that seems to be a problem is usually from countries where the general population are not white. Funny that isn't it.

How many asylum seekers/refugees do you know in real life? If the answer is none then I'd suggest you think about where you get your information. The only reason why they are unable to work and support themselves is our Home Office refuses to let them.

Namelessnelly · 25/08/2025 11:32

Lavender14 · 25/08/2025 11:25

Yes. If I had the space I would have no issue with this actually. I also work directly with asylum seekers and refugees and know many personally so I already do support them. I'm more than happy with the taxes I pay being used to support vulnerable people. Especially given that asylum seekers make up a very small percentage of overall immigration in the UK, entering a country to seek asylum is NOT illegal nor is being trafficked. And let's be honest, the majority of immigration that seems to be a problem is usually from countries where the general population are not white. Funny that isn't it.

How many asylum seekers/refugees do you know in real life? If the answer is none then I'd suggest you think about where you get your information. The only reason why they are unable to work and support themselves is our Home Office refuses to let them.

But why is space an issue? Surely you can budge up a bit. I mean, if you’re happy for asylum seekers to come over, surely you’re happy to make a small sacrifice for their benefit?

NeverDropYourMooncup · 25/08/2025 11:52

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 25/08/2025 07:06

Having £49 a week with all bills covered means you’re much better off (financially) than someone on £79 per week who has to pay for their own food, bills etc.

The way forward in this situation is NOT pretending we don’t understand simple maths or statistics per capita or arguing about legal lexis.

Come on. Let’s stop deflecting and let’s have an honest conversation about this.

My HONEST opinion of this is that they’re BOTH pitiful amounts. They result in male asylum seekers seeking out illegal means of earning extra money. Yet another reason we don’t need more undocumented men here. We need a better deterrent for adult male asylum seekers entering the country while making entrance much easier for women and children.

£49 is where they have to pay for all of their food themselves. Where they don't, they get £9 a week. Having less than a tenner (or £1.28 Mon-Sat and a generous £1.32 on Sundays) which which to feed themselves, buy clothes, shoes, toiletries and everything else isn't exactly better off than somebody with £79.

BlankBlankBlank14 · 25/08/2025 12:09

Namelessnelly · 25/08/2025 11:32

But why is space an issue? Surely you can budge up a bit. I mean, if you’re happy for asylum seekers to come over, surely you’re happy to make a small sacrifice for their benefit?

Edited

Such a boring and inane idea, trotted out continuously.

Is that your only idea? You don’t agree with me, so they must all budge up and I’ll do and contribute nothing….

Sheknowsaboutme · 25/08/2025 12:17

Lavender14 · 25/08/2025 11:25

Yes. If I had the space I would have no issue with this actually. I also work directly with asylum seekers and refugees and know many personally so I already do support them. I'm more than happy with the taxes I pay being used to support vulnerable people. Especially given that asylum seekers make up a very small percentage of overall immigration in the UK, entering a country to seek asylum is NOT illegal nor is being trafficked. And let's be honest, the majority of immigration that seems to be a problem is usually from countries where the general population are not white. Funny that isn't it.

How many asylum seekers/refugees do you know in real life? If the answer is none then I'd suggest you think about where you get your information. The only reason why they are unable to work and support themselves is our Home Office refuses to let them.

Of course. If you had the space.😂

Winter2020 · 25/08/2025 12:19

CoffeeLipstickKeys · 25/08/2025 02:31

Boom! That is right, asylum seeker does NOT get more than basic UC
As you were

And where did anyone ever say that they did?

BlankBlankBlank14 · 25/08/2025 12:19

Winter2020 · 25/08/2025 12:19

And where did anyone ever say that they did?

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