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Labour isn't working - Thread 6

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TheNuthatch · 22/08/2025 15:23

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. Labour isn't working.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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TheNuthatch · 02/09/2025 11:58

Good morning. Sorry, late to the party today. I love reading the posts on this thread. It keeps me sane.

I'm just trying to catch up on today's headlines, and reading the IMF thread. What a mess. Lots of sticking fingers in ears going on isn't there.

I was just in a meeting this morning with the (extremely wealthy) owner of a large company. Our business relies on companies like his, we get approx 50% of our work through him alone. He told me that he is pulling out of the UK. His wife and children have already moved over the summer. Devastated is an understatement 😫. I hate this government.

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TheNuthatch · 02/09/2025 12:01

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 02/09/2025 10:19

Pretty sure I heard Starmer drop further and faster into something yesterday because I remember groaning about it.

Yes I heard Starmer say 'further and faster' yesterday.
He also said the first year was about 'fixing the foundations', phase 2 is about delivery.

Which foundations have they fixed exactly? They really do treat the public like plebs.

It was noteworthy that Cooper did not utter 'smash the gangs' though.

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twistyizzy · 02/09/2025 12:02

TheNuthatch · 02/09/2025 12:01

Yes I heard Starmer say 'further and faster' yesterday.
He also said the first year was about 'fixing the foundations', phase 2 is about delivery.

Which foundations have they fixed exactly? They really do treat the public like plebs.

It was noteworthy that Cooper did not utter 'smash the gangs' though.

No but today she's claimed that she's dripping in Union Jack flags at home. Even union jack tablecloths.......
Who the fuck advises them?

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TheNuthatch · 02/09/2025 12:05

twistyizzy · 02/09/2025 12:02

No but today she's claimed that she's dripping in Union Jack flags at home. Even union jack tablecloths.......
Who the fuck advises them?

Flag shaggers 😂
Yesterday Starmer also said something similar. He loves the flags apparently, and has a George cross in his downing street flat 😂.

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EasternStandard · 02/09/2025 12:06

twistyizzy · 02/09/2025 12:02

No but today she's claimed that she's dripping in Union Jack flags at home. Even union jack tablecloths.......
Who the fuck advises them?

These people are ridiculous. A shame it’s the actual gov they’re in charge of.

@TheNuthatchI’m so sorry to hear that, I can get through much of the Labour damage but it’s livelihoods and jobs I’m most concerned about.

twistyizzy · 02/09/2025 12:06

TheNuthatch · 02/09/2025 12:05

Flag shaggers 😂
Yesterday Starmer also said something similar. He loves the flags apparently, and has a George cross in his downing street flat 😂.

🤣

Yes so can we now call them "flag shaggers"?

TheNuthatch · 02/09/2025 12:07

Can anyone please give me a quick overview of what's happening with the markets this morning? Have they reacted to phase 2?
Sorry, not being lazy, just really busy (and I have fomo).

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Julen7 · 02/09/2025 12:09

TheNuthatch · 02/09/2025 12:07

Can anyone please give me a quick overview of what's happening with the markets this morning? Have they reacted to phase 2?
Sorry, not being lazy, just really busy (and I have fomo).

Haven’t read in depth but apparently they are “jittery”.

TheNuthatch · 02/09/2025 12:10

EasternStandard · 02/09/2025 12:06

These people are ridiculous. A shame it’s the actual gov they’re in charge of.

@TheNuthatchI’m so sorry to hear that, I can get through much of the Labour damage but it’s livelihoods and jobs I’m most concerned about.

Thanks Eastern. To quote my dh this morning, we have two years max. If nothing changes, our business is done. DH has also been advised by the same wealthy business owner to get out of dodge.

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twistyizzy · 02/09/2025 12:11

TheNuthatch · 02/09/2025 12:10

Thanks Eastern. To quote my dh this morning, we have two years max. If nothing changes, our business is done. DH has also been advised by the same wealthy business owner to get out of dodge.

A lot of business owners are being given the same advice. I personally wouldn't wait 2 years, it may be too late.

Arrearing50 · 02/09/2025 12:16

30 year gilts at 5.69 percent:

Business live: UK borrowing costs hit 27-year high

www.thetimes.com/article/d7e8641b-8b3e-4ec6-8fe5-8213dec71e71?shareToken=cd02c6a2c7f3ec08ba5803f79c3931b6

TheNuthatch · 02/09/2025 12:21

Arrearing50 · 02/09/2025 12:16

30 year gilts at 5.69 percent:

Business live: UK borrowing costs hit 27-year high

www.thetimes.com/article/d7e8641b-8b3e-4ec6-8fe5-8213dec71e71?shareToken=cd02c6a2c7f3ec08ba5803f79c3931b6

Thanks Arrearing 💐
Jeez, that's not good. I'll read the article in my lunch break. Previous high was 5.66 I think in April.

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EasternStandard · 02/09/2025 12:22

The sell-off in UK long-dated bonds “reflected concerns that further tax increases from already high levels could damage growth, add to inflation, and still leave a sizeable hole in the public finances”, said Mark Dowding, chief investment officer at RBC BlueBay Asset Management.

The UK’s 30-year borrowing costs have risen to their highest levels since 1998 today and the pound has fallen 1.24 per cent against the dollar to $1.34, a three-week low.

Dowding said: “Markets appear less focused on Treasury rhetoric and more on whether the government can present a credible plan to control spending.”

It’s interesting Starmer does this whole phase 2 shuffle as he can’t remove Reeves, and still the markets see through it.

Arrearing50 · 02/09/2025 12:24

We’re fast approaching some sort of economic catch-22…right, must focus on the job I still have, for now! Dire though. They need a plan, an actual plan…

TheNuthatch · 02/09/2025 12:27

Thanks @EasternStandard
Yes me to @Arrearing50. Back to work. I may be unemployed soon after today's shock. Will catch up with you all later.

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Arrearing50 · 02/09/2025 12:28

Let’s hope not eh, maybe somehow things will take a turn for the better…

MarstoMinerva · 02/09/2025 12:33

TheNuthatch · 02/09/2025 12:05

Flag shaggers 😂
Yesterday Starmer also said something similar. He loves the flags apparently, and has a George cross in his downing street flat 😂.

For some unknown reason, I have a truly awful image of Starmer wearing nothing but Union Jack Y-fronts and black socks, admiring himself in the mirror, whilst simultaneously prepping himself for the day ahead - replete with roaring noises etc.

MarstoMinerva · 02/09/2025 12:43

I think the markets are way too sanguine - I would not lend 10-year money to Labour for a 4.8% return.

Reeves has zero awareness of second-order consequences, such as that reforming the non-dom tax regime would quite obviously lead to thousands of millionaires leaving the UK and erode any tax uplift (and likely tax receipts in other areas like VAT and stamp duty).

Labour cannot even pass a pitiful £5 bn working-age welfare cut against a total budget of c £140 bn.

The current trajectory is increasingly for a UK default unless there are radical reforms (which this government is incapable of delivering).

twistyizzy · 02/09/2025 12:48

MarstoMinerva · 02/09/2025 12:33

For some unknown reason, I have a truly awful image of Starmer wearing nothing but Union Jack Y-fronts and black socks, admiring himself in the mirror, whilst simultaneously prepping himself for the day ahead - replete with roaring noises etc.

Don't know whether to laugh or be sick in my mouth at that image.....

MarstoMinerva · 02/09/2025 12:48

twistyizzy · 02/09/2025 12:48

Don't know whether to laugh or be sick in my mouth at that image.....

Soz…

NoWordForFluffy · 02/09/2025 12:55

MarstoMinerva · 02/09/2025 12:33

For some unknown reason, I have a truly awful image of Starmer wearing nothing but Union Jack Y-fronts and black socks, admiring himself in the mirror, whilst simultaneously prepping himself for the day ahead - replete with roaring noises etc.

I Hate It Trash GIF by SpongeBob SquarePants

I did not need that image!

NoWordForFluffy · 02/09/2025 12:56

TheNuthatch · 02/09/2025 11:58

Good morning. Sorry, late to the party today. I love reading the posts on this thread. It keeps me sane.

I'm just trying to catch up on today's headlines, and reading the IMF thread. What a mess. Lots of sticking fingers in ears going on isn't there.

I was just in a meeting this morning with the (extremely wealthy) owner of a large company. Our business relies on companies like his, we get approx 50% of our work through him alone. He told me that he is pulling out of the UK. His wife and children have already moved over the summer. Devastated is an understatement 😫. I hate this government.

Fuck. I'm sorry to hear that. I hope some miracle comes along for you.

MarstoMinerva · 02/09/2025 12:58

TheNuthatch · 02/09/2025 11:58

Good morning. Sorry, late to the party today. I love reading the posts on this thread. It keeps me sane.

I'm just trying to catch up on today's headlines, and reading the IMF thread. What a mess. Lots of sticking fingers in ears going on isn't there.

I was just in a meeting this morning with the (extremely wealthy) owner of a large company. Our business relies on companies like his, we get approx 50% of our work through him alone. He told me that he is pulling out of the UK. His wife and children have already moved over the summer. Devastated is an understatement 😫. I hate this government.

Sorry to hear this.

I have been seeing this since last October - my commiserations.

Best of luck.

IDareSay · 02/09/2025 13:14

TheNuthatch · 02/09/2025 12:07

Can anyone please give me a quick overview of what's happening with the markets this morning? Have they reacted to phase 2?
Sorry, not being lazy, just really busy (and I have fomo).

"The pound fell sharply on Tuesday, a move that is likely to increase pressure on the Prime Minister to shed light on his economic policy ahead of a make-or-break Budget in October.
On Monday, Sir Keir brought in three economic experts into his No 10 team – Darren Jones, Ms Reeves’s former deputy, Baroness Shafik, a former Bank of England deputy governor, and Dan York-Smith, who spent two decades in the Treasury.
Sterling dropped more than 1.2 per cent against the dollar to less than $1.34 just a day after the sweeping changes, while Britain’s borrowing costs hit their highest level since 1998 amid concerns Ms Reeves will be unable to balance the books.
"Asked whether the reshuffle of the Downing Street top team represented a weakening of the Chancellor’s authority, the Prime Minister’s official spokesman said: “No, and as I say, it reflects a strengthening of the relationship between the Prime Minister and the Chancellor, a determination to drive growth in the economy, a recommitment to our robust fiscal rules.”
“And obviously we said yesterday how the appointment of the Chief Secretary to the Prime Minister, he’s someone who has been involved in the work to stabilise the economy, invest in public services and an approach to the economy that drives inflation, drives borrowing down and that’s the best response to grow the economy...
The spokesman continued: “The Prime Minister and the Chancellor want the strongest possible team on the pitch to drive economic growth.”
The spokesman added Downing Street had an “iron-clad” commitment to the fiscal rules imposed by Ms Reeves since Labour took power in July 2024, before insisting Sir Keir and Ms Reeves were working together “in lockstep” on fiscal policy.
The pound was also the worst performer among the world’s major currencies on Tuesday, dropping 0.6 per cent versus the euro to €1.15.
The drop in the pound came just as the cost of Britain’s government borrowing surged to a 27-year high. The yield on 30-year UK gilts – a benchmark for the cost of servicing Britain’s national debt – climbed five basis points to 5.69 per cent.
Mel Stride, the Tory shadow chancellor, urged Sir Keir to expand on his plans for the economy. He told The Telegraph: “The markets are getting jittery. Businesses and investors need certainty now - not waiting months until the budget.”
Meanwhile, Kemi Badenoch, the Tory leader, accused Sir Keir of “shifting the deck chairs on the Titanic”.
Chris Beauchamp, chief analyst at stock broker IG, said rising borrowing costs “complicates matters enormously for the Government, in turn signalling that tax rises are coming in the autumn Budget”.
He said: “Ironically, of course, the situation now seems more ripe for austerity policies than in 2010, but the country as a whole will not take kindly to a government trying to cut spending at a time when so many are feeling the pinch of inflation.”"

From the Telegraph live blog

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 02/09/2025 13:44

TheNuthatch · 02/09/2025 11:58

Good morning. Sorry, late to the party today. I love reading the posts on this thread. It keeps me sane.

I'm just trying to catch up on today's headlines, and reading the IMF thread. What a mess. Lots of sticking fingers in ears going on isn't there.

I was just in a meeting this morning with the (extremely wealthy) owner of a large company. Our business relies on companies like his, we get approx 50% of our work through him alone. He told me that he is pulling out of the UK. His wife and children have already moved over the summer. Devastated is an understatement 😫. I hate this government.

I'm sorry @TheNuthatch that is such miserable news. Tread lightly on our lives, my bloody arse - this is ideologically turbocharged recklessness.

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