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Labour isn't working - Thread 6

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TheNuthatch · 22/08/2025 15:23

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. Labour isn't working.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Hollyohara · 30/08/2025 16:12

TheNuthatch · 30/08/2025 11:53

Yes agree. I too prefer the hanlons razor approach, but its getting more difficult by the day. I mean, how can they be that stupid? * *

Perhaps it is neither malice nor stupidity. But is the cult-like fervour of Socialism (verging on communism I agree with PP about that).

Look at Scientology totally ridiculous, but once in they’re in and they believe no one can disagree. Similar.

Labour is a cult these days. There’s no debate with them. One agrees with them or one is greedy rich and probably racist too. Actually they remind me of the gender woo movement recently quashed in the Supreme Court. If only we could do that to Labour.

Hollyohara · 30/08/2025 16:14

Julen7 · 30/08/2025 13:18

Agree, Same actually happening with KemI now by some on mumsnet.

Edited

Yes. Let’s ask Labour -

How many women have they had as PM?

How many poc have they had as PM?

Hollyohara · 30/08/2025 16:17

strawberrybubblegum · 30/08/2025 14:07

It's interesting: I think Left and Right have such different value systems that they both genuinely see the other side as racist and also genuinely don't consider themselves to be.

Values

Labour are driven by their hierarchy of privilege. Their value system favours a high level of state control over individuals, as a way of equalising outcomes, with no difference due to either privilege or due to individual merit (in fact, they seem to see individual merit as just another form of privilege to be wiped out).

Conservatives are pragmatic and favour successful outcomes over uniformity/equality of outcomes. They consider success - and it's rewards - to be individual, and are opposed to the state levelling down.

Outcomes for Racism

Labour see race (and also being an Asylum Seeker) as a cause of reduced privilege, and see it as self-evident that this should be balanced with preferential treatment - that's their 'neutral' point.

So they think Conservatives are racist because Conservatives object to the preferential treatment Labour see as neutral. But the Conservatives position is precisely because they aren't racist: and consider each person to be an individual responsible for themselves, and race is irrelevant to that.

Labour assume they aren't racist themselves, because with their automatic backing of the group of least privilege, they often do back non-white groups (eg AS, Palestinians, the US black civil rights movement in the 50s).

What they don't have the self-awareness to realise is that their MO is actually based on simply opposing anyone they percieve as having privilege. Very reductive, but self-righteous anger is very gratifying.

So sometimes their backing is reasonable (like the black civil rights movement of the 50s). But other times their 'Right Thinking' lacks any kind of nuance (hence an inability to balance rights between white working class and AS, or between Trans rights and women's rights). And they tend to rely on there being a bogeyman (hence weekly demonstrations for Palestinians and nothing about the genocide ongoing in Sudan). The right see this broad-brush categorisation of who to oppose and who to support - lacking context or nuance - as actually being racist.

Labour values also prioritise state control, so anyone who they think should be dependent on them - but is successful enough not to be - is a threat. Hence the persistent anti-semitism, and probably also the particularly virulent attacks on Sunak and his wife. The Right (correctly) see that as Labour being racist. The Right think anyone is equally entitled to create their own success, and race is irrelevant. They hope that a rising tide lifts all ships.

That's why the Conservatives have had many female and non-white leaders (because they value capable people regardless of race and sex) and Labour haven't (because they see people outside their expected pecking order as a threat).

Edited

Great analysis 🧐 🙌

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EmpressoftheMundane · 30/08/2025 18:21

MyNameIsX · 30/08/2025 15:24

Not sure but I do believe that many will simply go ‘on strike’, meaning work less, retire earlier, emigrate, liquidate, mitigate - anything rather than hand over money to these thieves.

You can’t retire if they raid your pension and tax you out of your house!

MyNameIsX · 30/08/2025 18:29

Me to DH: It wont be long before Strictly is on again.

DH: Labour will probably tax it…

I feel faintly depressed.

MumOfManyAliases · 30/08/2025 18:35

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Parsley4321 · 30/08/2025 19:00

Resentment alert and check your privilege train drivers I hate you
Coldplay have changed their dates next week so none of my party can go
sun tickets go to sat
sat to mon
🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Cocoaloco74 · 30/08/2025 19:12

I own a business, have done for 15 years. Built it from scratch and I don’t pay minimum wage or living wage or have zero hours contracts or any of that nonsense. I am a decent employer and most of my staff have been with me for 10+ years. I have never, ever been as concerned for the future of the business and my employees, than I am now.
BFF is a consultant for both the NHS and private. She told me today she’s taken a job abroad and she’s leaving.
This is a shit show.

MyNameIsX · 30/08/2025 19:16

Cocoaloco74 · 30/08/2025 19:12

I own a business, have done for 15 years. Built it from scratch and I don’t pay minimum wage or living wage or have zero hours contracts or any of that nonsense. I am a decent employer and most of my staff have been with me for 10+ years. I have never, ever been as concerned for the future of the business and my employees, than I am now.
BFF is a consultant for both the NHS and private. She told me today she’s taken a job abroad and she’s leaving.
This is a shit show.

So, so sorry.

It is an utter horlicks, and one can only hope that this wretched government fall victim to the data, to the markets, the media, the constituents, the electorate.

I despise this government.

TheNuthatch · 30/08/2025 19:18

Parsley4321 · 30/08/2025 19:00

Resentment alert and check your privilege train drivers I hate you
Coldplay have changed their dates next week so none of my party can go
sun tickets go to sat
sat to mon
🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Oh no! Surely they can't just change the dates like that without offering refunds? What's the explanation?

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strawberrybubblegum · 30/08/2025 19:29

EmpressoftheMundane · 30/08/2025 18:21

You can’t retire if they raid your pension and tax you out of your house!

Most 'sensible', good citizens save up more for their later years than they will likely need, out of caution.

They also have at the back of their mind that anything left over will go to their kids, so it isn't lost.

When the government theft reaches a certain level, you think 'fuck it. I'd rather enjoy life more now, and if I end up running out of money and depending on the state in my very late life, so be it.'

And productivity goes down. And state dependency goes up. Question is: is that dependency what Labour actually want?

TheNuthatch · 30/08/2025 19:31

Cocoaloco74 · 30/08/2025 19:12

I own a business, have done for 15 years. Built it from scratch and I don’t pay minimum wage or living wage or have zero hours contracts or any of that nonsense. I am a decent employer and most of my staff have been with me for 10+ years. I have never, ever been as concerned for the future of the business and my employees, than I am now.
BFF is a consultant for both the NHS and private. She told me today she’s taken a job abroad and she’s leaving.
This is a shit show.

Sorry to hear that. I'm in exactly the same position and it's so stressful rn.This current climate feels similar to 08/9.

I hope things improve for you 💐

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Parsley4321 · 30/08/2025 19:32

@TheNuthatch train drivers strike next Sunday they can’t get people out of Wembley so sun tickets go to sat sat to mon
refund I can get but I don’t want a refund I want to go 🤩🤦‍♀️

TheNuthatch · 30/08/2025 19:36

Parsley4321 · 30/08/2025 19:32

@TheNuthatch train drivers strike next Sunday they can’t get people out of Wembley so sun tickets go to sat sat to mon
refund I can get but I don’t want a refund I want to go 🤩🤦‍♀️

Ah I see. I'd be gutted too, would love to see coldplay.
Gotta love those grabby CF train drivers. I would ban ALL strikes if I was PM.

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TwoTierBbq · 30/08/2025 19:37

We should have strawberry post as a sticky on the threads.

EmpressoftheMundane · 30/08/2025 19:43

strawberrybubblegum · 30/08/2025 19:29

Most 'sensible', good citizens save up more for their later years than they will likely need, out of caution.

They also have at the back of their mind that anything left over will go to their kids, so it isn't lost.

When the government theft reaches a certain level, you think 'fuck it. I'd rather enjoy life more now, and if I end up running out of money and depending on the state in my very late life, so be it.'

And productivity goes down. And state dependency goes up. Question is: is that dependency what Labour actually want?

It’s crossed my mind that they might enjoy turning everyone into a supplicant. No need to worry about the middle classes and their assiduous savings creating a bull work against tyranny. Just take it away from them. Simples.

NoWordForFluffy · 30/08/2025 19:52

Parsley4321 · 30/08/2025 19:32

@TheNuthatch train drivers strike next Sunday they can’t get people out of Wembley so sun tickets go to sat sat to mon
refund I can get but I don’t want a refund I want to go 🤩🤦‍♀️

Why can't Sat stay as Sat and Sun move to Mon? Is it some kind of 'fairness' in moving both dates? Weird!

MyNameIsX · 30/08/2025 19:55

EmpressoftheMundane · 30/08/2025 19:43

It’s crossed my mind that they might enjoy turning everyone into a supplicant. No need to worry about the middle classes and their assiduous savings creating a bull work against tyranny. Just take it away from them. Simples.

I had considered similarly.

If they start going after people’s homes, as well as their livelihoods, and savings,
I can see things turning pretty nasty.

Parsley4321 · 30/08/2025 19:55

@NoWordForFluffy i know I don’t know why or even have the option x
@TheNuthatch well I think he has bigger fish to fry that fryer
just reading the thread on France and imf bailout fux sake it’s dire

Hollyohara · 30/08/2025 20:00

TwoTierBbq · 30/08/2025 19:37

We should have strawberry post as a sticky on the threads.

Yes. First post on every new thread.

strawberrybubblegum · 30/08/2025 20:22

Aww, shucks guys 😊❤

MyNameIsX · 30/08/2025 20:24

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MyNameIsX · 30/08/2025 21:05

Angela Rayner has been accused of plotting a “chicken run” to a safer seat on the south coast after polls showed she was likely to lose to Nigel Farage’s party.

Richard Tice, Reform UK’s deputy leader, said the Housing Secretary was giving herself the “option” to flee the North by buying a home in ultra-safe Hove.

The Tories also suggested Ms Rayner might be laying the groundwork to abandon the North for the south coast ahead of the next election.

A series of recent polls have suggested that, if the next election were held now, the working-class seat which she has held since 2015 would fall to Reform.

Hove and Portslade, where she has bought her new flat, is, by contrast, a liberal enclave and one of the safest Labour constituencies in the country.

CruCru · 30/08/2025 21:19

This makes me so cross. I grew up right on the Brighton / Hove border - it has its own issues and it really needs an MP who knows and cares about them. But because it’s a “Tory scum” / “Never kissed a Tory” place, people can just be parachuted in to take the seat.

A while back Eddie Izzard wanted to stand as an MP (for Brighton Pavilion if I remember correctly). Also a person who wasn’t from the area.

twistyizzy · 31/08/2025 08:49

MyNameIsX · 30/08/2025 21:05

Angela Rayner has been accused of plotting a “chicken run” to a safer seat on the south coast after polls showed she was likely to lose to Nigel Farage’s party.

Richard Tice, Reform UK’s deputy leader, said the Housing Secretary was giving herself the “option” to flee the North by buying a home in ultra-safe Hove.

The Tories also suggested Ms Rayner might be laying the groundwork to abandon the North for the south coast ahead of the next election.

A series of recent polls have suggested that, if the next election were held now, the working-class seat which she has held since 2015 would fall to Reform.

Hove and Portslade, where she has bought her new flat, is, by contrast, a liberal enclave and one of the safest Labour constituencies in the country.

Yes the timing is interesting considering Reform are polling well in her actual constituency. This is does smack of shoring her up somewhere safe. Like I said, Reform live in their heads.

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