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What happens when stopping migration doesn't fix everything?

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Decisionsdecisions1 · 21/08/2025 14:26

What happens when migrants are stopped, returned, sent back and asylum seekers told to look elsewhere etc - what then?

What happens when housing is still unaffordable, when the NHS waiting lists are still too long, when the schools are still struggling, when 1 million young people are still unemployed, when wages still don't keep up with the cost of living and employment is still not secure enough?

Who is blamed then? Labour I would guess.

What will Reform or the Tories do to address those issues when they can no longer blame migrants?

This is a genuine question and no I'm not a journalist. I cannot get my head around how migration and any of those issues are linked sufficiently to make a difference.

If stopping migration would fix those issues I might actually be in favour of it (and I say that as an ethnic minority child of migrants).
But I think the problems are far broader.

If you protested against migrants or support the protesters - What's your view?

OP posts:
suburburban · 23/08/2025 17:29

bemoresloth · 23/08/2025 16:52

Economic migrants come here to work, how does that tie in with the no jobs claims?

I meant the ones coming here uninvited

bemoresloth · 23/08/2025 17:33

suburburban · 23/08/2025 17:29

I meant the ones coming here uninvited

You mean refugees?

So far nobody has provided any evidence that people with asylum granted do not work.

suburburban · 23/08/2025 17:38

I’m not convinced most of them are refugees

bemoresloth · 23/08/2025 17:41

suburburban · 23/08/2025 17:38

I’m not convinced most of them are refugees

Based on what?

sleepwouldbenice · 23/08/2025 20:58

ElCorazon · 23/08/2025 16:23

Are they? Did Keir Starmer told you this number? Isn’t he famous for lying? 😆
What if it’s more? They seem to be everywhere (also in Europe).

No
I can do maths. Total immigration c948k, total small boats c37k in 2024. Can you do that final little bit yourself? Or shall I tell you the answer is actually less than 4%?
So let me guess, you get your "facts" from Nigel or UKIP?

sleepwouldbenice · 23/08/2025 21:00

ElCorazon · 23/08/2025 16:33

No I can’t provide numbers because I don’t work in government or immigration. But I was asking the question about the 4% because it can be false too. They can chuck any number at us to shut us up and keep us quiet. And I am not sure it’s about percentages, but more about the sheer number of them. Within 1-2 generations it will be a very high number.

Try just actually getting your information from proper sources

YelloDaisy · 23/08/2025 22:29

I think the present situation is going to damage race relations for years. The gaslighting the gov does is no longer working. It wouldn’t be such an issue if the UK was booming but we already have huge house price problems, huge debts we can hardly cover, AI likely to remove swathes of jobs, an unaffordable welfare bill and a failing NHS - all this bollox about the immigrants working and paying tax - what work -apparently they willingly do the jobs we don’t want -if that’s the case they won’t earn enough to pay tax, they certainly won’t earn enough to buy a house and as they normally have large families will top the housing association lists . That’ll go down well - it is going to take years to assimilate different cultures and no money to help things along. Doesnt bode well. Thanks to 20 years of Gov doing nothing.

NeelyOHara · 24/08/2025 10:30

God what a sneery, condescending post @sleepwouldbenice

BIossomtoes · 24/08/2025 10:38

NeelyOHara · 24/08/2025 10:30

God what a sneery, condescending post @sleepwouldbenice

Edited

I thought it was simply factual. Maybe engage with the facts?

sleepwouldbenice · 24/08/2025 14:20

NeelyOHara · 24/08/2025 10:30

God what a sneery, condescending post @sleepwouldbenice

Edited

Did you read the post laughing at me saying I must have got the fact from kier starmer who lies with of course a mature laughing emoji
Or was that just fine in your book.
People should establish facts before being rude. The poster didn't

I will repeat the FACT again that 'illegal boat people' as reform supporters like to describe human beings, were only less than 4% of total immigration in 2024. Yes I think it should be lower,but that FACT gets drowned out by reform hate filled bile

bombastix · 24/08/2025 14:27

Yes of course the asylum figures pale in comparison to the legal migration levels of the last five years. The consequences of that decision by Boris Johnson are still unwinding. You can’t really escape the logic that the Conservatives really didn’t want to have to pay increased wages or improve employment after Brexit, so they channelled in huge levels of legal
migration. Hotels are a very visible form of migration but I don’t see that this narrative is confined to asylum seekers. It’s just the most visible to the press.

Timeforabitofpeace · 24/08/2025 14:43

It’s a bloody good question OP, as it won’t fix most things.

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