What happens when stopping migration doesn't fix everything?

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What happens when migrants are stopped, returned, sent back and asylum seekers told to look elsewhere etc - what then?

What happens when housing is still unaffordable, when the NHS waiting lists are still too long, when the schools are still struggling, when 1 million young people are still unemployed, when wages still don't keep up with the cost of living and employment is still not secure enough?

Who is blamed then? Labour I would guess.

What will Reform or the Tories do to address those issues when they can no longer blame migrants?

This is a genuine question and no I'm not a journalist. I cannot get my head around how migration and any of those issues are linked sufficiently to make a difference.

If stopping migration would fix those issues I might actually be in favour of it (and I say that as an ethnic minority child of migrants).
But I think the problems are far broader.

If you protested against migrants or support the protesters - What's your view?

Thats what all benefits are!

Can’t comment on the country as a whole but in my area they were in a four star hotel with spa and gym. The hotel closed to the public and lots of people I know lost jobs there and people who had weddings etc booked had them cancelled. It’s back open as normal now the contract with the home office has ended but the local community haven’t been rushing to renew gym memberships and book weddings after what happened.

The local community couldn’t have missed it much then.

''@Eyesopenwideawake · Yesterday 14:41 They'll find someone else to blame.''

Right wing media & politicians will just go back to blaming benefit claimants, single parents, pensioners, disabled people, lefty lawyers and so on...

Anything to detract from the real harm caused by Brexit, abysmal successive governments, failed privatisation and big corporates not paying their fair share of tax.

This country would be far better with 10 or twenty million fewer people. We need to let the population drop naturally to a sustainable level where we can feed ourselves without massive imports of food.

Unfortunately there would be at least a decade or two of elderly top heaviness, so unless we go fully Logan’s run, it’s not going to happen.

Presumably the local community are cautious about losing their facility again, no?

Then they’d use it, no?

A successful hotel making profit would not sell their business.

There is profit in asylum hotels.

Jesus, you sound like Malthus! Or Scrooge 'to decrease the surplus population'.
“Plenty of prisons,” said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.
“And the Union workhouses?” demanded Scrooge. “Are they still in operation?”
“They are. Still,” returned the gentleman, “I wish I could say they were not.”
“The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?” said Scrooge.
“Both very busy, sir.”
“Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course,” said Scrooge. “I’m very glad to hear it.”
“Under the impression that they scarcely furnish Christian cheer of mind or body to the multitude,” returned the gentleman, “a few of us are endeavouring to raise a fund to buy the Poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth. We choose this time, because it is a time, of all others, when Want is keenly felt, and Abundance rejoices. What shall I put you down for?”
“Nothing!” Scrooge replied.
“You wish to be anonymous?”
“I wish to be left alone,” said Scrooge. “Since you ask me what I wish, gentlemen, that is my answer. I don’t make merry myself at Christmas and I can’t afford to make idle people merry. I help to support the establishments I have mentioned: they cost enough: and those who are badly off must go there.”
“Many can’t go there; and many would rather die.”
“If they would rather die,” said Scrooge, “they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.”

It was a homeless shelter prior to being an asylum hotel.

chancers?? have you been to an asylum hotel? i have been through my work i am a health care professional. ic an tell you it was one of the most depressing places i have ever been to. not a hotel by any description. i spoke to a woman who lost her 6 year old son coming over here. untill you have seen the reality then please dont label these poor desperate people as chancers. You are all being brainwashed.We need immigrants and we need to be able to emigrate too. Of course there needs to limits but the levels of people comin in from India after the recent trade deal has sky rocketed but noone moans about that. The poor people on the boats are not the issue

They are not given housing unless granted asylum. They cannot open a bank account. Do your research before spounting untruths.

its one part of the problem, the lack of decent housing for people to downsize to is also part of it too. You lot were damn lucky, we just missed out on the affordable huge family home and brilliant pensions, you cant blame people for being miffed when their future is not so bright.

I’m not lying. Illegal immigrants are entitled to some money but not the benefits that citizens can claim. My family members came here legally and found legal employment and pay/paid taxes. There are British citizens on the street and apparently no housing.

Asylum seekers get £49.18, this might be out of date as it was a while ago I worked with them. The young men I met were v good at finding someone in the community who had a tenuous link to their country of origin and cultural practice means they were obliged to feed and clothe them as ongoing thing.

‘You lot’?!

Actually, we couldn’t downsize as both our adult DC are back home living with us because they can’t afford either to rent or buy. So we are also paying for the next generation.

It still is £49.18 a week

£9.95 when meals are provided

https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get

And no one is illegal, while they are undergoing their processing claim, for the right to remain. Another lie that you are putting out there. If they were illegal, why would they be given anything at all? People should at least try, and get the small details right.

Your post would make perfect sense without the adjective 'tenuous'.

No one is closing down successful hotels running at full capacity with gyms, spas, wedding facilities, conferences etc. Repurposed hotels for housing vulnerable people are dumps that were losing money hand over fist and the owners leapt at the chance to be paid more by the government than locals and tourists were prepared to pay.
I’m sure some customers were misled into booking their wedding or party or whatever in advance, but that is down to the venue’s management. They were happy to take bookings while knowing their business was unviable.

The populists will just find another group to blame for the ills of society.

The UK contributes to the root causes of migration through its trade, debt and exploitative supply chains. Until we recognise and address this, nothing will change.

As long as people consider consumption to be more important than preserving environmental integrity, we will continue to degrade our air, water, soil and seas.

People would have to accept dramatic changes to their current comfort levels in order for migration and the climate crisis to reduce and that won't happen, because anyone who suggests that we do is a hysterical, communist, hypocritical snowflake.

The UK contributes to the root causes of migration through its trade, debt and exploitative supply chains. Until we recognise and address this, nothing will change.

This isn’t the main problem - India has a population higher than China now so over 1.4 billion, all eating drinking, shopping, polluting.
Many countries are run by corrupt govs -people want to leave them
What the U.K. does is peanuts in the overall scenario

It's never going to be the magic bullet for all problems but it will inevitably relieve the strain on the supply/demand of housing and stop the flow of tax payers money going into the pockets of private hotel companies.

You've hit the nail on the head we barely have the infastructure and affordable housing for people already here that is why it's so.importa t we don't keep taking migrants the country cannot support it.

The US is still one of the biggest polluters, then China. And China is busy extracting valuable resources from vulnerable countries.

However, the UK is one of the biggest contributors to the conditions that cause migration - after the US and France. Our murky financial exchanges allow illicit financial flows, the arms trade, tax havens, punishing debt structures. It's a good thing schools teach kids a bit more about our shameful past - but the exploitation didn't finish with our colonial history. We continue to be dishonest about how our actions today make life so difficult in so many countries. And then we complain that people try to escape their misery by coming over here.

The astonishing thing is that despite our advantages of education and the access to knowledge that we have, people still are still uninformed.