What happens when stopping migration doesn't fix everything?

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What happens when migrants are stopped, returned, sent back and asylum seekers told to look elsewhere etc - what then?

What happens when housing is still unaffordable, when the NHS waiting lists are still too long, when the schools are still struggling, when 1 million young people are still unemployed, when wages still don't keep up with the cost of living and employment is still not secure enough?

Who is blamed then? Labour I would guess.

What will Reform or the Tories do to address those issues when they can no longer blame migrants?

This is a genuine question and no I'm not a journalist. I cannot get my head around how migration and any of those issues are linked sufficiently to make a difference.

If stopping migration would fix those issues I might actually be in favour of it (and I say that as an ethnic minority child of migrants).
But I think the problems are far broader.

If you protested against migrants or support the protesters - What's your view?

People will go back to blaming the feckless benefit claimants. With their 1000s a month in benefits, 10 kids and free houses.

What would happen is that Farage etc would simply find someone else to blame and they would become the next scapegoats for all of our problems because that's how Farage etc work. That's what they did with the big bad European Union and when leaving that didn't solve anything they seamlessly moved onto migration and conveniently forgot that Brexit was the answer. Silly us it was migration all along! If you can make people hate and blame they will be too busy doing that to actually sit and think about what the real problems are and how they might be solved. It's much easier.
I would also quite like to know as our birthrate has plummeted quite where the workers who will pay the Taxes that fund the schools, pensions, NHS etc will come from over the next ten to twenty years. I assume that the currently impoverished twenty and thirty somethings will be quite happy to either fork out for education, pensions and healthcare or simply do without.

Is the immigration going to be stopped? That would be great! One less issue to deal with.

There is no plan to stop migration.

People will be able to migrate to the UK and we will be able to migrate to other countries. There is no plan to change this and never has been.

All countries have migration rules and in most of them you just need to meet the visa requirement.

That is still the case in the UK as far as I am aware. Where have you heard otherwise OP?

Sorry for the shorthand in my post - it’s partly because I’m never really clear what Reform and their supporters are objecting to - is it anyone coming from another country and benefiting from the NHS etc? Or only asylum seekers? Or only certain countries or certain skills or what?

The UK has benefitted from migration I agree. I think that gets forgotten.

most probably single mums. They haven’t been demonised for a while.

You cannot arrive illegally if you’re claiming asylum.

Seriously - until this country can understand the basics I think we need to stop blaming those risking their life in the English Channel to seek asylum for the ills of it.

You are not an illegal immigrant until you’ve been refused right to remain.

Maybe if there were safe routes then we would t have people risking their lives - says something when a hike though sand dunes and forests on the dead of night followed by a trip on an inflatable dingy seems the best change you have in life if it being decent.

They never stopped.

@itsgettingweird , were they not safe in France? Why risk their lives at all crossing the channel. The French insist we’re too generous to them, we’re certainly more generous to them than our own citizens. It irks me that the government are encouraging landlords to offer up their properties (at a fee to taxpayers of course) to house these chancers while the victims of domestic abuse and their children languish in unsuitable temporary accommodation and what do those children get to ameliorate their uncomfortable situation? No iPhones, gym membership or days out for them (or the equivalent) I suspect?

Well, aside from the fact that it will never be stopped ...

… what will happen then is that the racists will start agitating for anyone who is not white British (however the hell that might be defined) should be deported too.

They can’t all stop at the first country.

and no they aren’t always safe in France. Or Germany or s
Spain.

we need to take our fair share of displaced people and safe routes is the way to go but they were shut down and then we exited the EU 🤦🏼‍♀️

But don’t worry about those you think aren’t helped by government - after the Tory policy of putting asylum seekers in hotels and now then encouraging legal challenges about their use - it also means the same can be applied to woman and children seeking refuge not being able to be placed in hotels or b and b either.

We should never have sold off a load of council houses and allowed rents to get out of control.

But blaming enough people to only fill 1/3 of Wembley stadium for the state of the country is short sighted and won’t solve the actual problem - for a start it’ll still be there even if this problem is “fixed”.

Legal migrants , we need. Small boats we can’t cope with.

However legal migration is a massive percentage of migration. Asylum seekers are a really small percentage.

But it’s legal migration we’ve put most pay to.

Look at Japan over the last 20 years. Low immigration, aging population, low birth rate.
Stagflation.

It's a valid choice, but has consequences.

Well you won’t be putting the racism genie back in the bottle, so I would think anyone poor and/or not white is next. It’s already started.

Non-white
White, non-‘British'
Gay/queer
Female
Old

The European government s are all becoming very right wing - because people aren’t happy with so much immigration

@itsgettingweird , please explain why these people aren’t always safe in France and Germany?
As it happens I support with unwavering enthusiasm offering asylum to those in genuine need, I have no issue with free movement by people who can support themselves.
I very much doubt that the legal challenges in regard to the use of hotels for illegal immigrants will affect abused women and their children and I don’t think you believe that either.
I agree that the loss of council housing is deeply regrettable and a grievous error furthermore I agree that the Conservatives were a shower of 💩.
I am not blaming the boat people for the state of our country, far, far from it. That achievement belongs to the political class of all colours who have royally failed us all.

We voted for Brexit in large part to control our borders. Then the Government betrayed us by letting in record numbers of people. That is why we are in such a mess with so much division and bad feeling. Multi culturalism was working OK while the number of immigrants was reasonable and fairly stable each year.

Migrants won’t be sent back home if they have entered legally, nor will genuine asylum seekers

ito the illegal migrants that will be sent home

Exactly. I can’t understand how this isn’t common sense.

It’s not about blame. It’s about not making it a lot fucking worse than it is!

On my side of the big pond, when all fails, as it will, the Trumpers will blame Biden and Obama. Deport those that engage in sweat labor and there will be little to eat. I suppose you Brits will have different scapegoats. Same dilemma.

How can you say there’s only enough people to fill a third of Wembley stadium when the government can’t put an actual figure on the people that have entered on small boats etc because they can only publish the figures on the people who’ve been caught? They acknowledge that on the government website so you can’t say it’s a third when the reality is no one actually knows the true numbers.

Always this. It will be Windrush descendants, people who came from the sub continent and had families here so Patel, Sunak etc would be targeted. Jewish people because they have all the money, run the banks etc. Just be the usual list people go through.

According to Farage, brexit was meant to solve these issues. But he seems to have forgotten that.

I don’t think Reform need to worry about who their new scapegoat will be. Worryingly, I think a more likely problem for them is they get in to power, and people expect them to be able to keep their promises.