What happens when stopping migration doesn't fix everything?

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What happens when migrants are stopped, returned, sent back and asylum seekers told to look elsewhere etc - what then?

What happens when housing is still unaffordable, when the NHS waiting lists are still too long, when the schools are still struggling, when 1 million young people are still unemployed, when wages still don't keep up with the cost of living and employment is still not secure enough?

Who is blamed then? Labour I would guess.

What will Reform or the Tories do to address those issues when they can no longer blame migrants?

This is a genuine question and no I'm not a journalist. I cannot get my head around how migration and any of those issues are linked sufficiently to make a difference.

If stopping migration would fix those issues I might actually be in favour of it (and I say that as an ethnic minority child of migrants).
But I think the problems are far broader.

If you protested against migrants or support the protesters - What's your view?

Where on earth do you live? Where you have apparently heard multiple people expressing this?

@NeelyOHara

I live in London - obviously not saying whereabouts on here. I didn’t say multiple people have expressed this view, but I have heard it a few times and I find that troubling enough.

My previous comment referring to racism is the one I have heard multiple times over the years and continue to do so.

Your last 2 paragraphs are contradictory.

Ok, the way that you wrote it very much inferred that you have heard several people making comments about the LGBT community taking up too much housing.
It seemed very odd, - even more so if you are in London. However, surely if you have ‘heard something a few times’ that is ‘multiple people saying it’?

Add to all this climate change. I am afraid that over the next fifty years or so countries that remain liveable will have to accept that for countries where life itself is no longer sustainable because of heat and lack of water there will be total mass migration - some of it may be accompanied by force. I am sure I read that this year in some Middle Eastern countries the temperature was around 50 even at night and we know that really this is just the beginning. The world is changing.

@NeelyOHara

This is what concerns me as I have heard a few people saying it so there must be a sizeable amount who hold this view.

There a fair amount of Londoners, especially in Greater London who unfortunately are not very liberal, tolerant or welcoming at all. You do not need to scratch very far under the surface to reveal this - and some of them wear their prejudice and poor acceptance like a badge of honour. I would say it is definitely reverting to how it was when I was growing up, which is not good.

This famed tolerance is definitely thinner than we would like to imagine.

I worry about the UK because of our law enforcement. It seems very reactive and increasingly orientated around people’s beliefs and identities and rights. Combine it with mass immigration on the scale of the last few years with a criminal justice system that was totally hollowed out by the Tories, declining economy and the capacity for it to get toxic is clear.

So why don't British street homeless get given hotels with food and some subsistence to stop them being destitute? Why don't the government then offer 5 year contracts to landlords to house British homeless?
If we can offer this service to new arrivals why can't we offer it to people already here?

This.

We are never given the opportunity to experience this so it’s obviously hypothetical

Hotels are being used as emergency accommodation for homeless people.

Experience what?

Never ending immigration from the 90s onwards

There has always been immigration.

Do you think British people should be stopped from emigrating as well?

They often are, though. You can't just migrate to most countries. You have to get a visa with conditions attached.

Not to the extent there is now especially this year.

i don’t support it

Why are you assuming it is just Reform and their supporters? Do you not think people from other political parties are unhappy about it the millions of pounds a day it costs to host illegal migrants? Most of the people who arrive here illegally on dinghy’s are men not women or children.

The numbers arriving illegally are not sustainable. Realistically you can’t let men into your country without knowing who they are and where they are from. They could be murderers, terrorists, sexual offenders. Yes we have British people who are these awful things we don’t need to import more.

Even to go on holiday to the USA there are very strict entry policies

The same applies to the UK, you need to apply for a visa.

Immigration has fallen considerably since 2023

What exactly do you not support?

Yes indeed. However, the issue discussed here is people circumventing it.

The illegal migrants for a start

Yes. People like me and my children: the descendants of people who were invited to come over from the Empire to do the jobs white Brits didn't fancy doing.

It's not just living in appalling countries that causes people to flock to our shores.
It's that in combination with them now being able to see exactly what they are missing due to digital communication. And then the added factor of people smugglers selling deliberately selling them a false dream that they can't resist.
I don't know what the answer is but at the very least we should only accept people who are willing to integrate, learn our language and live in accordance with the values of modern liberal democracy.
We should not tolerate those whose culture is incompatible with and destructive to modern liberal democracy.

By then climate change will have progressed and we will have the same problem with different populations.