What happens when stopping migration doesn't fix everything?

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What happens when migrants are stopped, returned, sent back and asylum seekers told to look elsewhere etc - what then?

What happens when housing is still unaffordable, when the NHS waiting lists are still too long, when the schools are still struggling, when 1 million young people are still unemployed, when wages still don't keep up with the cost of living and employment is still not secure enough?

Who is blamed then? Labour I would guess.

What will Reform or the Tories do to address those issues when they can no longer blame migrants?

This is a genuine question and no I'm not a journalist. I cannot get my head around how migration and any of those issues are linked sufficiently to make a difference.

If stopping migration would fix those issues I might actually be in favour of it (and I say that as an ethnic minority child of migrants).
But I think the problems are far broader.

If you protested against migrants or support the protesters - What's your view?

You are talking about asylum seekers then, not all immigration

Asylum incl thise from Ukraine, Hong Kong, is around 16% of total immigration

I think we should ask the great people of our nation to open their homes to these people coming over on boats. There are so many supporters of them that I think it’ll be an amazing scheme.

It’ll save us the 8 million or whatever a day. That money could be used elsewhere.

A bit like the Ukraine scheme. People can give up their spare room, help the arrival with getting whatever they need and welcoming them into their home.

We are so welcoming and supportive, I’m sure there are people in the uk and on here would jump at the chance.

I think you are being extremely naive if you don’t see the correlation between letting in millions of migrants and the current problems we have. Some people just don’t see the wood from the trees.
If you cram too many people into a country there will be housing shortages. The rate of building new houses can’t keep up with the number of people who need those houses. Consequently there’s an immense competition for accommodation, so renting and buying gets more and more expensive. Ireland is in deep shit now because of this matter, but we seem to be catching up. Another thing is whether it is permittable (or advisable) to build up previously empty areas? Surely, then sooner or later the whole country will be just buildings!? I doubt that for example London could get any bigger, especially horizontally! It’s already the size of a small country.

Same with health care. More people mean more queues to see GPs and various doctors, who can’t cope with the demand.

The illegal migrants and the boat people are not trained in anything, mostly uneducated and don’t speak English, so they are just hungry mouths to feed and also need housing. Their women mostly don’t work so never contribute to society, just raise children and get money from the government. But I mostly see young men arriving in boats anyway…
This is not racism, it is a fact. Skin colour and ethnic background has nothing to do with it. They could be as white as a ghost, but if they don’t work and contribute, we are in the same predicament.

Migration is beneficial if the arriving migrants fill in jobs that need to be filled up but it is not the case.

Love it. "But we have no idea of their backgrounds - no idea if they are a danger to women or children" - exactly - like when they come into the country then.

@ElCorazon broadly speaking I agree with your post but raising children IS making a contribution to society!
Unpaid work is still work and contribute significantly more to the good of society than many of the bullsit jobs currently in existence.
The fact that a job pays well doesn't mean it necessarily makes a positive contribution to society.

The thing is that we are discussing now what is good for the country economically, not morally. The moral good could be a different thread. Btw most British mums work, then have kids and might stay at home with them for a while, then return to work. So they pay tax and contribute. Boat women (and men) will not work..

Do you have evidence to back up your statements regarding asylum seekers and work?

Yes they have to work to keep afloat and indirectly support all these newcomers.

the affordable housing doesn’t go to them even though they may need it

You are not permitted to work while claiming asylum, which can take several months. During all this time they have to live somewhere and get a weekly allowance from the government (and God knows what else) After that the men might work, but most of the women never do, so they never contribute.
Claiming asylum is fine when genuine. Unfortunately most of the cases aren’t. I know people who claimed to be gay and escaping countries where being gay is punishable by either prison or death. Needless to say most of them are not gay. You can come up with all kind of lies and stories and claim asylum. I know people from Europe who claimed asylum in Canada (some 20 years ago though) saying they were escaping some kind of brutal gang or mafia and claimed asylum and got it. I know for a fact it was not true.

Why aren’t the women encouraged to work. This is what irritates me.

they are not an economic asset.

They will blame another vulnerable group - probably the disabled, the sick and other benefit claimants. 38% of universal credit claimants are in work. They’ll probably be told to get a second job with absolutely no regard to who will care for their children while they work.

Because you shouldn’t have children you can’t afford ….

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How do you know 'the women' are not encouraged to work?

Aren't "boat people" 4% of immigration?

This is exactly it . Added to the economic impact of Brexit.

An additional imopact was the amount of money spent by the government during covid. This ended up in the hands of very rich people.

Mostly because those who were paid fpr being at home used the money for essentials because they were out of work. However the people who own ( shareholders of) the organisations providing the essentials ( supermarkets, energy companies, landlords , banks providing mortgages) all still made money as these bilss and essentials were paid with govt money .

Since everything was closed the mega rich but had nothing to spend it on as they are so rich that most of their income goes on luxuries usually. Since they couldn't spend on luxuries they amased a lot more money and spent it on assets . This drove up prices of assets ( like housing) and increased the wealth divide in this country even more than all that austerity did

It was the biggest transfer of money from government coffers to billionaires ever. They are now much richer then they were before and so they keep buying assets ( like housing and land) driving up the prices. In an environment of low economic growth there is only so much money and assets to go.round and

The government are broke and their plan for economic growth is stuffed especially if we heavily limit immigration so they will tax middle income earners until they become poor. This won't help as so much of the wealth is now in the hands of a few billionaires and they won't be giving that up any time soon. This means there will be even more cuts to govt services

It really is nothing to do with immigration but nobody will listen and even if they did there is nothing to be done as billionaires are so powerful. It is easier to blame immigration as it gives us the illusion of control so it is not worth wasting any breath on it , we are basically fucked as a country

Are they? Did Keir Starmer told you this number? Isn’t he famous for lying? 😆
What if it’s more? They seem to be everywhere (also in Europe).

Can you provide numbers that say otherwise?

No I can’t provide numbers because I don’t work in government or immigration. But I was asking the question about the 4% because it can be false too. They can chuck any number at us to shut us up and keep us quiet. And I am not sure it’s about percentages, but more about the sheer number of them. Within 1-2 generations it will be a very high number.

80% are getting to stay. Who knows whether Labour will give others amnesty when they can't return them.
I simply don't believe that hundreds of thousands are in danger from their government. No, having a feud with your neighbour shouldn't count.
You think the NHS is struggling now, wait till all their relatives arrive with health conditions.

Only 14% of those who arrived in Sweden during the Merkle boom, 2017 I think, ever found a legit job.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-june-2025

Yes it’s an absolute disgrace

most of them are economic

Economic migrants come here to work, how does that tie in with the no jobs claims?

Britain has a huge structural class system going back years. If you are lucky you make it out of poverty .

We might achieve some change with a wealth tax on assets.

It's been like this for years - we swing liberal to conservative depending on how much resource we have. We are not a big island.

What we want is a system that helps up people who are genuinely struggling - genuine refugees who want to get on and contribute and genuine working class people. This divisiveness has to stop or it will tear apart our fundamental values and freedoms.

It’s got nothing to do with morality. We need people to work in the low paid jobs British people turn their noses up at. How quickly the lessons of the pandemic are forgotten - it was the lowest paid who kept the wheels turning.

Oh come now, asking for a coherent, logical argument based actual facts us a bit much don't you think ?

I found the statistics linked to above very interesting. The numbers of 'boat people' are up and relatively high compared to other countries but the actual numbers really are very small in thr context of our population and in the context of total legal migration