Witches - spell help

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Hey, looking for some advice as in all the years of spell work I have never had this happen before.

i did a spell on the full moon, all very well intentioned, to help me save money. I lit a candle in a special place to me, set my intention, and the candle blew out quite quickly. It was near a window, so I took it to mean spell completed ie wish made.

i took the candle home and lit it again later on the lionsgate portal night to strengthen my resolve. The wax kind of dripped on to my finger and burned me a lot. I’ve never had that happen before. I looked it up and some say it’s a warning (what can it be warning me about, it’s literally just to make me save money 😂) or - very differing view - the spell needed some kind of karmic or energy payment from me, and I “paid” with the burn to add strength and resolve to the spell.

any thoughts? I’ve done this a long time and never cast bad or ill intentioned spells so I don’t know what this was about! Has someone hexed me?

blessed be x

How do YOU know it’s a fact though?

Well, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim. If someone says they can cast a magic spell, it's not on me to prove that they can't, it's up to them to prove that they can. Otherwise we'd have to blindly believe anything.

Hitchin's Razor: "That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

Nobody has ever been able to evidence the existence of magic spells. Ever. And that's a fact.

Why does it matter to you personally if somebody else that you’ll never meet in real life holds these beliefs so much to you?

It doesn't. As I said in a PP, it fascinates me. I love learning about different sub-cultures, why they think and act like they do. What leads people to identify with them.

And as much as you can learn by reading, I've found the best way to do it is to speak to the people involved. But it has to be a two-way conversation. I think it's important to challenge people on their views, rather than just nodding along. I might change their mind. They might change mine, which I'm extremely open to!

Why is it offending you so much that you feel the need to call them out on it and shame them?

It's not offending me at all, I'm not sure what's given you that impression.

I would absolutely love someone to prove that magic is real. Can you imagine? It would literally undo everything we know about the world, our history, science. It could help us understand all manner of so-far unexplained things.

I haven't shamed anyone. I've joined in a discussion on a discussion board because it's something that interests me. If someone takes a perfectly emotionless, rational statement about their hobby/belief as a personal insult, that's on them.

But it speaks to my point; if I'm wrong, why has nobody even attempted to change my mind? Why has the default response been to accuse me of shaming people?

I expect that some of you do genuinely believe that you can cast spells, and don't care what people like me think. I also believe that many of you simply want to indulge in the fantasy with like-minded people, and that's why you take it so personally when someone bursts the bubble.

I find both incredibly interesting.

telling everyone you don't believe in Wicca and spell work is just downright uninteresting, and best kept to yourself.

If everyone kept their thoughts to themselves we'd never learn anything.

If what I'm saying isn't interesting to you, you don't have to respond.

We are not talking about facts we are talking about belief systems

You can't separate the two. People are claiming to be able to cast spells, and expecting people to believe that as fact. I'm saying that they can't, regardless of what they believe.

Plenty of people live by the Christian belief system, while accepting that nobody actually turned water into wine or cured leppers.

I think the witchpromiting brigade are on a mission ….. 🤣 seen a lot of people ruin their lives with this crap , I’m out , 🙄won’t be answering anymore of your teaching sessions , night and god bless

Then you'd be wrong.

Spell help….

Belief systems and facts are two completely different things- one may inform the other or not. Your example of Christians believing without believing in miracles is spurious- if you don't believe Christ died on the cross and rose again you are not a Christian- if that's not a miracle what is? Check your Creed.

Have you finished? I've already explained I'm Dyslexic yet you keep coming for me after one auto-correct. You're disgusting.
Get a life.

It was a light hearted joke. Spell help. The theme was spells.
I’m after no one.

Come to Jesus. He will transform your life and give you more money and teachings of money than you could dream of. Witchcraft will always make you pay it back, Jesus would never.

Apologies for snapping. Got out of bed on the wrong side today, it's been a very rough week. x

Lots of Witches use psalms and the bible to work magick.

There is no paying it back for using Witchcraft.

i used to be christian, went to church, sang for God and my soul, then i studied christian philosophy, the problem of god how he cannot be omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent all at once, because he clearly either doesn't care about the pain in the world, or can't do anything about it... i learned of free will & determination.. and was told my mentally ill cousin who killed himself would rot in hell by a priest i went to for help. My eyes were opened to what a HUGE problem your faith is and sought answers to my questions elsewhere, and got them.

Your religion is so corrupt it would make jesus weep if he saw it now.

I'll stick to being Pagan thanks.

tata.

But that’s her thing: she literally has the word “hate” in her moniker

That’s a reach that even a brontosaurus couldn’t make. I don’t actually hate wasps. They aren’t my favourite but I don’t mind them all that much and appreciate how important they are to the ecosystem. I like lots of things too and some of those are incorporated into my long list of user names but none of them define my whole personality.

Good for you.

I hate the smell of petrol.

I still think ‘magick’ is complete nonsense and should be argued in the right place as being nonsense. And Chat threads on MN are as good a place as any.

I’m with you on that.

Please orient yourself towards joy / find love

It seems you have had hard times in the past - I wish you to soften

And what? You are aware on the vast wealth of evidence linking mindset to outcomes, in various areas of health?

Well I do believe in this, but it's from a very bad source , read the Bible , it's a spiritual con that will mislead you and all others that do it ,

have you actually read the bible? The whole thing, cover to cover? As in yourself, reading it like a book, not just the snippets the Priests choose to read/confirmation studies make you look at?
I have.. both the KVJ version and a youth copy. The whole faith is bullshit quite frankly, made up by men to control people.

Do you have ANY idea how much 'magic' made up Catholicism and early Anglican practice? I do.. i've researched it.

You are mostly right, but also a bit wrong - largely because you seem trapped in a western masculine worldview

My ex husband was into this, absolutely batshit man doing spells, overtime he used this pagan witch shit as a type of religious abuse.

He was an Abuser, a rapist and a paedophile. The wax burnt your finger because it melted from the flame and was hot.

Oh and he now has decided hes a woman. Weirdest person ive ever met. The witch stuff was insane.