Witches - spell help

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Hey, looking for some advice as in all the years of spell work I have never had this happen before.

i did a spell on the full moon, all very well intentioned, to help me save money. I lit a candle in a special place to me, set my intention, and the candle blew out quite quickly. It was near a window, so I took it to mean spell completed ie wish made.

i took the candle home and lit it again later on the lionsgate portal night to strengthen my resolve. The wax kind of dripped on to my finger and burned me a lot. I’ve never had that happen before. I looked it up and some say it’s a warning (what can it be warning me about, it’s literally just to make me save money 😂) or - very differing view - the spell needed some kind of karmic or energy payment from me, and I “paid” with the burn to add strength and resolve to the spell.

any thoughts? I’ve done this a long time and never cast bad or ill intentioned spells so I don’t know what this was about! Has someone hexed me?

blessed be x

'Make a wish' blowing out birthday candles is a tradition you tell a child. It's equivalent to wishing someone good luck.
What you did was an action, a home made ritual, with intent behind it.
It's harmless, but its pretty much the same as throwing a coin in a 'wishing well', or having a superstition. I dont think it will influence your life, but itll make you think you have - which may have a similar outcome, who knows. Similar to a placebo effect.

because they can't help themselves.

Pagans as a rule don't go around telling everyone else they're wrong, or try and force their beliefs on anyone. It's no skin off my nose if any of the posters calling it nonsense think that.

However, they, for some reason, clearly feel threated by our beliefs because they feel compelled to tell us to shut up, that its rubbish, to stop posting here, to go away.. when we're just minding out own fucking business talking about stuff that interests us and answering the questions of like minded folk who have a problem/dilemma.

It happens on EVERY thread, about Tarot, about Ghosts, about Spells, magic.. anything slightly pagan/new age gets people feeling the need to pontificate about how wrong we are and how untrue all this is.

Like.. get over yourselves... you're entitled to your beliefs.. i don't get the need to constantly try and force it on us, or announce their Opinion on it like we give a rats ass what they think?

@Kreepture nail on the head - I don’t go on cycling threads to tell them it’s nonsense because it obviously hurts your knees and why would any mature individual deliberately do something that will hurt themselves.

Nothing wrong with being a sceptic, it’s the added insult (nonsense/unethical/immature/playingatHarryPotter) that turns it from debate to contempt.

I’m commenting on a thread in Chat. Everyone’s voice can be heard.

I said upthread that I don’t bother with witchcraft threads in Philosophy/Religion, because they’re a little corner for themselves, like Chicken Keepers or Creative Writing.

In Chat, AIBU, 90 Days etc discussion is thrown open.

Disagreeing with someone is not gaslighting.

A witch having your hair/teeth/name could do something horrible if they're that kind of person

No, they couldn't. That really is nonsense.

Actually no, I haven't trivialised what you said at all. I've taken it quite seriously actually. I asked you what this meme you posted meant:

There is a meme somewhere that says it’s all very well making fun of a witch, but if they ask you for some of your hair, would you laugh and hand it over?!…

And your eventual response was to tell me you use something relating to the "victim's" (your description) body or something else relating to them to put a curse on them. And go on to say that all you need for practicing "sympathetic magic" (which indeed includes the use of dolls) is a nickname.

You didn't actually say you wouldn't do this.

So my conclusion to your eventual response is that if someone laughs at you, you put a curse on them, as per the meme you chose to post and subsequent explanation as to how.

And now you are saying the meme means if a witch thinks someone has been a "rude cunt" hen they deserve "consequences". And from all the replies from so called witches on this thread, including you, "rude cunt" appears to amount to not believing in or questioning or merely commenting on your magic/philosophy/claimed abilities.

I didn't bring up paedophiles, Kreepture did. And no thank you, you should not be offering up the details of this person - whoever they are, whatever they may have done - to strangers online.

No I don't have a problem with people praying be they a witch or from an organised religion or wishing on a birthday cake. I just don't think there is any power or consequence in it.

Maybe not spending money on candles, and probably on plasters when you accidentally-and completely unremarkably-get burned by hot candle wax would be a good place to start saving money🤷🏼‍♀️.
As you can probably tell I am not one to believe in 'spells'-sounds much like the ridiculous trend for 'manifesting🙄 to me.
if you want something to happen-YOU need to make it change, not some random 'force'.
And no, before you ask I don't believe in 'luck' either.

@FenywHysbys I just wanted to ask you about hexing. I tend to avoid it because I worry I'll do it wrong and it'll reflect back on me or my family somehow. I also don't think it's a good idea in case it negatively affects their innocent family members. Maybe I'm thinking of the very worst type of hex whereas your hexes are just to silence someone etc.

I think that in the past I've hexed people by mistake. It's either that or those people have been unpleasant characters and have had bad energy directed their way by many people. (Or of course it could be confirmation bias but at the time, I didn't know anything about witchcraft and still felt responsible.) I try to be very careful now to not become to angry with people.

@Heresmycontroversialopinion what do you want exactly?

@IAmQuiteNiceActually Hexing and cursing (rightly) comes with a great deal of provisos, mainly to protect the witch. It really is not for everyone - I am the sort of person that cares deeply about injustice and can use that emotion to focus on and feed into a curse. That emotion has a threshold - I don’t use it if someone is a general annoyance, however cause me or my family tangible and targeted harm or distress, and the threshold has been crossed.

sadly, in this society, I am having to resort to this more and more; as people’s behaviour and boundaries get weaker.

I can’t remember where I read about the phrase ‘To Know, To Dare, To Will and To keep Silent’ , but it’s been useful for me. Any doubts, do not cast until you can confidently say that you have fully prepared with that phrase in mind, and can continue to abide by it. (Otherwise, spilt candle wax hurts!)

As a result, you cannot hex/curse by accident, as the level of focus needed is way, way beyond a knee jerk reaction to an unpleasant person, so don’t worry on that front.

Yet you believe most of the “stories” about religion.

Do we? I certainly don't. I don't know anyone who does, atheist, Christian, Muslim...

You wouldn’t say these things to someone who believed in Islam, Christianity or Judaism

Of course I would, and I have. If someone looked me dead in the eye and told me that Jesus actually turned water into wine, or Moses parted the Red Sea, I would tell them that was plainly nonsense.

I certainly wouldn't criticize someone for simply following any of those faiths, living their lives in accordance with their teachings etc. Infact I admire people who have the strength of character to stick to them.

But completely ok to bring someone down for their beliefs in spells

Spells aren't real. You can't cast spells. I'm not bringing anybody down by pointing that out. If I believe with all my heart that I can fly, tell everyone I know that I can fly, and find a community of people who will reinforce that belief, it doesn't change the fact that I can't fly.

If you're obsessed with someone to the point you're 'casting spells' to help/inconvenience them, for example, you will surely notice something nice/inconvenient happen to them at some point, but correlation is not causation.

To go back to your point about 'You wouldn't say that to a Christian/Jew/Muslim', I consider it no different to someone praying for an illness to be cured, having medical treatment and crediting the recovery to the prayers. You can believe it all you want, but that doesn't make it true.

isnt that literally the point of a chat platform though. passing time with chit chat, opinions and comments.

If you are a positive person and resolve to live your life that way, of course you're more likely to see the good in things and pick up on the good things happening around you. Just like a miserable or depressed person will be more likely to see the bad in things and pick up on bad things happening around you.

That doesn't mean you're manifesting them somehow.

That's a bad comparison. Cycling is real. Anyone can hop on a bike and cycle. There are obvious and measurable heath benefits associated with it, as well as obvious and measurable risks, which cyclists don't deny. Cyclists don't claim that being a cyclist grants them supernatural gifts, or allows them to influence the world around them. So while you might not like it, it's hardly 'nonsense' in that context.

'Casting spells' (that you actually believe will work in some way) is nonsense. Nobody can do it, nobody has ever done it. It's pure fantasy. It's not contempt to point that out.

This is the problem with debating/discussing something that has no basis in reality - there isn't much of a debate to be had. I can demonstrate my hobby. I can defend it. I can show you the benefits and accept the criticisms.

You can't cast a spell. Nobody can. So if you're engaged in a debate or discussion about it and somebody points out that fact, your default position is that you're being attacked or belittled.

That's certainly not my intention - I'm genuinely interested in what might lead someone to believe that they can cast a spell or a curse or otherwise influence the world around them.

@Velmy ‘Spells aren't real. You can't cast spells. I'm not bringing anybody down by pointing that out.’

but you are bringing someone down. If you’d said ‘I don’t believe spells are real’, that’s fine - it’s your opinion. By stating ‘Spells aren’t real’, you appear to assert that your opinion is the only one that is right. That brings other people down. Can you not see that?

@Velmy and you’ve missed the point so far, there is no coming back. Why does your view trump my view? I don’t have a problem with non-believers, but I do have a problem with contemptuous non-believers. Those who have to take others down to make themselves feel better about themselves.

but you are bringing someone down. If you’d said ‘I don’t believe spells are real’, that’s fine - it’s your opinion. By stating ‘Spells aren’t real’, you appear to assert that your opinion is the only one that is right.

It's not my opinion. It's a fact. If you were to tell me that I can't fly, that's not your opinion, it's a fact.

If I were to say "There are no benefits to being a witch" - that would be an opinion. I'm sure you could tell me many ways in which you feel it has benefitted you.

That brings other people down. Can you not see that?

Why? If it's such a brittle concept that it can't withstand someone pointing out a simple fact about it without you getting 'brought down', does that not speak volumes?

If you could cast spells, you wouldn't care about what I've said. You'd just go about your business casting spells.

Deep down though, you know that you can't. But because you've made it such a big part of who you are, you feel personally attacked when people point these things out.

We are not talking about facts we are talking about belief systems, there are no facts in the case either way. Just as it is unhelpful to you and the person you are criticising to tell them their god is not real- it is a matter of belief, exactly the same is true of Wicca and spell work- there are no facts just belief, telling everyone you don't believe in Wicca and spell work is just downright uninteresting, and best kept to yourself.

How do YOU know it’s a fact though?

Why does it matter to you personally if somebody else that you’ll never meet in real life holds these beliefs so much to you?
Why is it offending you so much that you feel the need to call them out on it and shame them?

goodness why are you still commenting, why are you so offended by something that has no impact on you at all.

I don’t think you are genuinely interested

Okay that's it!! Witchcraft questions & advice on MUMSNET?!

I'M OUT. There are hundreds of other sources for this info, so why bring it to MUMSNET.

White, black or whatever, witchcraft is still witchcraft.

You realise loads of different topics are on MUMSNET, right? It's not just about mum things (whatever they are 😁) I think there's even a board for this kind of thing on here somewhere?