Labour isn't working - Thread 5

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. Labour isn't working!

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Housing immigrants not allowed in hotels any more. I know what will happen. It’s obvious!

All of the virtue signalling champagne socialist celebrity lefties, And the thousands who protest in London, will offer any and all of their spare rooms, and sofas.

Of course they will, they’re So Kind!!

What?
They won’t?
Who said?
They said!
Oh. I mean, I’m shocked. 👀

Wet wipe mo told me last week they have funding to house migrants in the empty property locally but not homeless not enough ££&&

Hello and welcome 😁
Totally agree about the recession vibe. We have never been this quiet over the summer months. If architects are quiet, we're all stuffed.

😂😂

@ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera
Oof! That polling is dire. I think you're right about the 15 point lead, that's new.

I am truly thankful to live in Staffordshire where Reform UK are in charge. Unlike bankrupt Birmingham we get our bins emptied and we have floral displays around the town and pot holes are gradually being filled. When I drove through Birmingham last week I saw containers filled with weeds up around the city. My cleaner lives in Birmingham and has not had her recycling emptied for months. She puts it in a black sack and brings it with her when she cleans and it goes in with my recycling. Tamworth council are looking to get the asylum seekers out of our local hotel legally. Birmingham give them free discount vouchers for swimming, crazy golf and stuff like gardening. The maddest of all is Tower Hamlets where they pay for DC of immigrants to learn Somali among other foreign languages. If parents want them to learn these languages they should be teaching them themselves not burdening tax payers.

My db doesn't live in Birmingham but commutes there from another council area and he's aghast at the state of the place in the wake of the bin strikes.

I love that we have so many new joiners to the dark side 😍

14 years seemingly isn't enough time

Wow they are clear of 30% 💪

Welcome 😍

is the cry baby chancellor honestly thinking of putting CGT on our family homes? No one voted for communism!

I detest the latest versions of Labour with a passion. No explanation needed.

I’d likely never vote for Reform either. Have they outlined what their policies would be, and how they’d achieve them? When people say they’d vote for them, what are they voting for, where is it documented in detail?

That leaves the Conservatives. Why the hell aren’t they capitalising on this Labour catastrophe, and making themselves electable again. KB makes a lot of the right noises a lot of the time but there doesn’t seem to be much substance behind her words. Not sure if that’s just because her own party don’t seem to support her, or if she still growing into her role.

I’d love to think they’re biding their time, and have a brilliant plan to kick out the envy-policy economically illiterate u-turning hypocrites, when the time comes.

Some mutterings online that the conservatives are gearing up to commit to leaving the ECHR at the next party conference.

Communism is exactly what we're getting though.

Pensions raided, house ownership raided, better off areas council tax raided to give to other parts of the country, extra penalty if you dare to want non-state education, tax-tax-tax anyone who achieves anything for themselves and just give it all away to those who don't want to work, without the slightest limitations.

It's more economically communist than any other European country I can think of, including the Nordic ones. And unsurprisingly, we're getting the usual outcomes that are always seen with communism: productivity decline and economic collapse.

I used to see taxation as necessary for a civilised society. But the amount this lot are taking now - and the way they target it politically - I just see it as theft. Communist governments always steal, and try to pretend it's justified. Problem is, you can only steal it once.

Keir was a Fabian society member.

https://fabians.org.uk/on-the-horizon/

Extract for those who don’t like to click links:

Every single Labour prime minister has been a Fabian and if Labour wins in July Keir Starmer will join their ranks. Keir was a Fabian before he was elected to parliament, and served on our executive committee. In 2021, he wrote The Road Ahead, a Fabian pamphlet setting out his vision of a fairer, more secure and prosperous Britain, built on Labour values.
The Fabian Society has helped shape Labour’s policy programme in the run-up to this election. Last Autumn we published Plans for Power: Fabian ideas for transforming Britain, which compiled some of the most important ideas the society has developed and championed in recent years. It is a ‘mixtape’ of our best proposals, from early years to pensions and from the future of work to public service reform. With Labour in power, they could become reality.

Wiki Fabian definition: The Fabian Society (/ˈfeɪbiən/[1]) is a British socialist organisation whose claimed purpose is to advance the principles of social democracy and democratic socialism via gradualist and reformist effort in democracies, rather than by revolutionary overthrow.[2][3] The Fabian Society was also historically related to some of the furthest left factions of radicalism, a left-wing liberal tradition.[4][5][6]

If you look at this link you will see who is a Fabian in Labour:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/list-of-ministers-interests/list-of-ministers-interests-may-2025-html

You will note despite the Fabian society saying Starmer is another Fabian PM, it’s not on his declared interests. I assume he left and made sure he didn’t meet the requirements so he didn’t need to declare it.

The old emblem for the Fabians was a wolf in sheep’s clothing - take of that what you will! A quick google will show you the emblem. No surprise they are doing what they want without mentioning the majority of it in their manifesto.

Also Starmer will no doubt be telling his MPs ‘we will turn it around after a tough couple of years’ but he knows Labour wont get elected again. People may say Labour and Starmer are stupid, but I’m not convinced they are ALL stupid. But it suits them to be called it.

So they are ruining the U.K. as quick as they can to make ‘change’ (bankruptcy maybe is the aim? It’s one of the only things that makes sense).

If it doesn’t make sense it’s because part of the story is missing. A lot of my Polish and Romanian friends have a lot to say about it - they are remarkably clued up due to having lived in Eastern Europe.

If it doesn’t make sense it’s because part of the story is missing.

That resonates.

Thanks for the insight @namechangeragin Will do some reading.

I thought Kemi was watching to see which way the wind blows, before choosing her direction.

She is involved with WEF - see Paragraph 8. Sorry it won’t let me cut and paste. But she attended as did Reeves.

https://democracy.cityoflondon.gov.uk/documents/s182277/World%20Economic%20Forum%20Engagement%20Strategy%20Davos%20update%20-%20February%202023.pdf

I can’t find the conservatives declared interests, you will note the list above isn’t in an easy format and it was pretty hard for me to locate despite having read it ages ago.

Id be interested if anyone can find Conservative MPs interests. I wouldn’t be surprised if some are Fabians (wolf in sheep clothing) suggests infiltration for the greater good is acceptable. However like Starmer it may not be disclosed - he even wrote a pamphlet for the Fabians and has his mug shot on their website and didn’t need to disclose - makes me wonder how robust the rules are.

Fabian Website - you will see it mentions ‘a decade of national renewal’. If anyone can archive all of the Fabian website pages it may be worth doing.

Keir Starmer MP
In the 140 years since the Fabian Society was founded, it has driven the fight for justice, progress and equality. To that end, Fabians and Fabian principles have always been at the heart of the proudest moments in Labour’s history – building a new Britain out of collective sacrifice in 1945; modernising an economy left behind by technological change in 1964; renewing a crumbling public realm in 1997.
Today, the Labour party looks towards a future with challenges both new and familiar, determined to achieve the long-term change desperately needed to transform the lives of working people. I hope and know that the Fabians will be alongside us again in our mission for a decade of national renewal.
Keir Starmer is the Labour MP for Holborn and St Pancras and the leader of the Labour party

So unless the Conservatives sort themselves out, people need to decide if it’s necessary to vote reform to get Labour out. Christ. But it’s all Labours doing of course, the veer sharp right to Reform.

Wolf in sheep’s clothing is perfect for Labour. And yes, I have a very good friend who grew up in communist Romania, stories of her childhood are shocking.

Perhaps the only option people have is to vote reform to get Labour out. It may well be. Though the socialist loons voted Labour to kick the tories out and look what we have now. What happened to centralist sensible policy.

*As an aside, the Fabian methodology has parallels with the Islamisation methodology. See Iran, Sudan, Turkey (in the slow process but it’s happening).

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14683849.2024.2320725

‘This article argues that the AKP has dismantled secularism in Turkey through stealth Islamization. Defined as incremental and top-down Islamization of social and political life, this process entails four processes: (1) institutionalization of Turkish Islamist political imaginary; (2) redesigning the Diyanet and public education system to spread Islamic beliefs and practices (da'wa); (3) the privileging of Muslim identity at the expense of secular choices, whose costs have increased substantially; and (4) return of Islam to the public space through changes in the built environment. ‘

I hope KB has more up her sleeve than just leaving the ECHR. I don't think that will cut it. She's had a year now.

Agree we need hope - parties need to demonstrate they can get on top of the debt doom spiral and help businesses grow again and people grow their wages and opportunities…

If the Tories do propose withdrawal from the ECHR I fully expect MN’s Labour clappers to start on about “international pariah”, “Churchill was in favour”, “our rights will be taken away”, “we’ll be a fascist state” etc etc. All of which is complete nonsense.

Jonathan (Lord) Sumption has advocated leaving the ECHR, because the convention has become an activist’s charter and attracted power to an unaccountable institution. If the finest mind of recent years in the UK Supreme Court can hold that position, I’m damn sure it’s a reasonable one.

I think we may be looking at a Reform government for one term then back to the Tories.