Why is everyone so angry at Labour?

[18thday]

From what I understand they tried to cut (essential) benefits and put the money somewhere else. And what happened was labour MPs got angry, threat of resulting poverty in the population etc. So labour backtracked.

My questions are

1. they backtracked so doesnt that mean they get it?

B) weren't they trying to find money to fill a hole that must be filled?

C) How else could have they raised the money? High taxed- bad people get very annoyed NHS cant handle more cuts.

I'm guessing they thought that forcing people off benefits would stimulate the economy by forcing people 'back into work'.

Again you write all your conditions on a pip form it doesn't mean thats what you are claiming for

What was wrong with the process they have suggested?

Honestly the only criticism I have read is people being horrified anyone would possibly question disability benefits or the number of people needing them as all claims must be genuine and needed.

I would guess that yes, they want to keep welfare cushy and maybe stopping the boats?

I have never had a bad assessor and I have been claiming PIP now for around 10 years. I aren't saying bad ones dont exist, and I may get one, but so far I've always been treated amazingly, via phone or face to face

This is DATA on what people are claiming for. It's not a summary of peoples forms. God lordddd

Unemployment has gone up by over 10k since RR Autumn Statement. Many interviews of employers said they couldn't afford the additional NICS so made staff redundant. Many low paid workers only working a few hours part time did not incur a NIC cost to a business but since RR disasters Autumn Statement they now do. Result company makes them redundant. Unemployment goes up. More people will claim UC.

OP, you misunderstand how PIP assessment works. You don't get it just because you have a particular diagnosis. You get it because you are unable to do a range of normal activities of daily living. Your imability to do these things without aids, carers, prompts, tools etc. is what gets you the award. My DS gets PIP for his severe physical health conditions. However, his record would also show that he has autism and depression - but they are nothing to do with the reasons why he is getting PIP, they are just there on his record.

Agree with MidnightPatrol. The country is in an unsustainable situation. There are relatively few net taxpayers, strong incentives for people to reduce their hours to qualify for benefits or avoid high marginal tax rates and strong incentives to claim benefits for conditions such as anxiety which can’t easily be proved.

Starmer and Reeves had tried to do the right thing but even with a large majority they could not get it through. What a disaster.

I think employers are the overall problem over prejudices when hiring, crap work cultures, refusal to let people WFH where a job can be and other issues. Even with the retirement age raising another year probably and many won't get to retire, employers still judge applicants for having say, year off or so to do something else with their life over a job they know how to do.

I have bpd and serious physical disabilities but mine originally went the otherway I was turned down originally then at MR i asked for it to be recorded in didn't supply any new evidence the only thing I did was call them out and question them on every lie they told and I got high rate for both. But others would of walked away and that is what they count on and its not fair how can they justify no award to high rate of both with the exact same evidence

Agreed. I said in an earlier thread too that Employer NI went from 11% to 12.8% in 2013 and then to 13.8% in 2019 - it’s not the first time it’s gone up.

So employers stopped hiring people before the increase even kicked in...
Also that 10,000 - what is that as a % increase, and how do we know that other factors did not play into the decision mmaking process (Trump's tariff madness, for example)? I'm sorry, but given the state of business and their behaviour in the past, I'm disinclined to take the word of the business community without adding several pounds of salt.

This isnt about the PIP assessment. This is data of PIP awards by condition.

https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip/pip-awards-by-condition

I know how the PIP assessment works. There are very easy ways to game the system in mental health conditions.

Quite. But of course certain people who appear on threads like these don't like facts.

Still kowtowing to the Corbynites unfortunately.

That is Labour’s great challenge - before the election it looked like they’d fixed it, but it’s clear they haven’t.

We need a party who is willing to be unpopular but do the right thing - or the country eats itself.

You are right that there are too many incentives to work less due to tax rates and removal and benefits - and incremental salary increases often deliver very little in terms of quality of life.

Yeah but it still helps, I know someone with autism on anti-psychotics. It doesn’t have to be designed with a specific condition in mind to be effective as a treatment.

Weight loss jabs were originally designed to treat diabetes, it happens to also be a great tool for treating obesity.

But this is the problem the government are making cuts to benefits without offering the support to give people a chance why should people be given no chance because of their postcode I pay tax to so why am I getting a crapper service then others. So basically dont cut benefits and fix services is what your saying

PIP awards by condition is meaningless data when people aren't awarded PIP because they have a certain diagnosis - because the system acknowledges that conditions can impact different people in different ways. My DS for instance is able to work and has done so. He only stopped because he wanted to finish his degree. He's intelligent, determined and hard working. And seriously disabled.

Eurghh

The government doesnt have enough money to give more support. The only solution is self agency.

They used to pay 13.8% on anything above 9k it’s now 15% on anything above 5k. Thats a lot of part time jobs dragged into paying NI. It’s anti-jobs especially for business with narrow margins or small businesses.

https://www.oxfordeconomics.com/resource/what-the-rise-in-nics-means-for-the-uk-labour-market/

They have just made it harder for those who on minimum wage to actually find work.

Well, one of the things which has happened with PIP is over the years things have changed with various court cases

For example, planning and following journeys (mobility) some criteria were originally meant for people with e.g. blindness, or physical problems but this was challenged as to why it couldn't be to do with psychological distress also

Meaning many more with MH problems getting full mobility as well often as full daily living, but at the same time as PIP was brought in the getting around distances part was reduced, so people need to be able to walk less..

it's all turned into a bit of a mess, but needs looked at properly rather than just bringing in changes without looking at it all first.

But most people have multiple conditions i have about 27 it doesnt actually mean i would get pip for any of them alone

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@18thday
but what could the solution for illegal immigration actual be? Aligator Alcatraz?

Don't give them more ideas.