Why is everyone so angry at Labour?

[18thday]

From what I understand they tried to cut (essential) benefits and put the money somewhere else. And what happened was labour MPs got angry, threat of resulting poverty in the population etc. So labour backtracked.

My questions are

1. they backtracked so doesnt that mean they get it?

B) weren't they trying to find money to fill a hole that must be filled?

C) How else could have they raised the money? High taxed- bad people get very annoyed NHS cant handle more cuts.

I'm guessing they thought that forcing people off benefits would stimulate the economy by forcing people 'back into work'.

I read a post on Mumsnet yesterday - the poster received nearly £4K a month in benefits, disability, and mtnce. That’s £4K NET. Thats an insane amount £48k net P.A so before tax and NI around £70k….Thats where this country is going wrong. Average wage is £30k gross ish?????

The biggest growth in claimants is among younger people, and the biggest ‘issue area’ for claiming is mental health issues - which doesn’t quite fit with your list.

Do you think it’s possible a reason (amongst yours listed above) for the increase is that some people have learned they can claim money from state and so are taking advantage of the system to do so? Or that the system has expanded too far?

I can’t see how reducing the state pension age will help - as instead every person in Britain over the age of X will be getting £10k+ a year. I’m not clear on the relevance of the age of people when they have children.

The Conservatives never said they would not increase taxes. Labour said no tax increases in their manifesto them increased them for employers anyway.

What's mtnce? Because even high rate pip which only 37% of people are on is nowhere near that

That's why everyone is trying to get on board the benefits gravy train!

The relevance of people having children older is babies of geriatric mothers are a higher chance of disability. If the biggest rise is in younger claimants due to mental health issues then the solution to that is put more money in to mental health services. Surely thats obvious

I'd swap my PIP for a working body tomorrow. My gravy train is lacking any gravy

Because they won't deal with the boats and crazy immigration levels. We can't afford it, literally.

What's mtnce? Or did pp just make up a random word and you went along with it 🙈

My pip doesnt even come close to cover my costs of being disabled

I cut and paste directly from the descriptors

Do you pay as much tax in as you take out?

Yeah i apologies I honestly thought it was 10. I must say I am quite happy to be wrong on this one as iv just done my reassement and I thought I would get lower rate mobility but looks like I won't 👍

Maintenance

That has zero relevance.

I think people really need to understand that the number of claimants is not sustainable. It is not sustainable to have more people being net recipients than contributors. It’s not about being nice and kind it’s about whether the system can be sustained. It probably can’t.

So its tax payer money.

They know that. They just dont want to accept it.

Not a chance do you pay as much tax and ni as you take out do you have any children because birthing children in an nhs hospital isnt cheap any other medical problems? Education paid by the tax payer until 18 years old isnt cheap either. Child benefit? Used any services ever in your life.

Nope. Its the posters money.

What do you want people on PIP to do? Just call up tomorrow and tell the government to stop our payments?

Why are they fleeing France? For our lavish benefits of course. Most are low skilled.

And once you're in the UK you're here to stay. There's no shortage of lefty lawyers and liberal judges who'll make sure of that.

Do you think it's fair that people get tax payer funded PIP yet have enough money to go on holidays?

Your acting jealous of seriously disabled individuals and its weird. You want a shortened life expectancy you want to spend half your life in hospital. You want to be drugged up to your eyeballs to the point your a walking zombie. Because il happily swap.

Accept that it's a flawed system that is easily abused. Many people are currently abusing it. I dont know you, I'm not talking about you.

I'm saying its a huge system issue that cant be ignored because people shut down any conversation about it.