The boats ..can we chat about it

[Grumpybird4]

4 more years of a labour government,so nothing is going to change,it's only going to get worse ..help me make sense of it please.
Where are they all going to live , where is the money coming from to house them and feed them and pay their bills..do they bring their families over when they have gained asylum here ,do we have enough Doctors appointments, hospital appointments and housing .
My husband supports open boarders ,he says there is enough money in the UK to house all whom want to come here ..but his argument for that is the royal family need to go ,and free up their money..
But that's not going to happen so there isn't actually enough housing or money.if there was we wouldn't have families in temporary accommodation for years ,and the government wouldn't be trying to cut pip if there was enough money.
My husband says when the UK goes round invading other countries it creates displaced people with no homes ,those are the people on the boats and we should help them all we can.
Government is now saying we should take the people in ,who live in the Garza strip , Palestine..yeah they definitely need help.
But all I hear is budget needs cutting..yet more people arrive .
Selfishly I have two disabled DC who will never live alone .they are going to need a council flat and help ,or assisted living..I'm worried sick for their future.
Worried reform will get in and strip all disability benefits
Worried about the amount of people coming in and the lack of homes for them and how that will effect my children.i know that's selfish..but we all want to put our families first .
I have great sympathy for the people coming over on the boats ,but I don't understand where the women and children are ,I just see men in the photos
So if it's safe to leave women and children behind,it's safe for men to stay and try to make a life in their own country
My husband says that whole family's club together to find the money to send a young man here for a better life ...but I don't get that ..how are they going to pay the bills once granted alyslum..two people on good income can't keep heads above water with cost of living.
I lie awake at night worried and feeling like a bad person for having these thoughts ..no one wants to discuss it ..I'm trying to understand the governments thinking,but I can't make sense of it ..what is the governments plan long term for these people,regarding housing,is there going to be enough for everyone

Asylum seekers should be able to apply for settlement loans. We track student loans so same sort of set up. No recourse to public services until a qualifying period. Loans to cover housing, education, healthcare and living expenses.
Economic migrants should be self supporting, no recourse to public services including housing, health or education without an insurance scheme.
No right to bring relatives for either.

I'm more amazed that OPs DH has these opinions. Most of the blokes I know ( male dominated trades workplace) are all for the Royal Navy in the channel with permission to fire and are all 'its an invasion force' and the Government are facilitating it. There's a heavy leaning towards conspiracy theory too.

This seems to have gained traction since covid.

I really wonder what magic wand you think Reform or any other political party is going to wave. Here in the UK, or anywhere else for that matter.

The world is blowing up - just look at the map. It's hardly surprising that people want to escape warfare etc. It's worth noting that surrounding counties take 67% if the refugees so it's not like UK is being expected to take all of them.

It's just going to be feckin fantastic having the homeless and soup kitchens skyrocket if they're not looked after in some form.

Leaving the fact that these are human beings out of it of course.

My fil thinks the same but he's a DM reader.

Why do you want to leave your country, travel 1000s of miles and poss die or see your children die in the hope/idea that life in Britain is better. need to make their own countries better for their population instead of looting/bombing them or not allow rich warlords/terror groups/corrupt Govts to just empty the coffers. Surely making Syria/iraq/iran (other countries available) better for their people would be a win. where or to whom did that Rwanda money go (290 million?)

Absolutely is. I live in a town that has always had a large Asian population (so it’s not my shock/outrage at not seeing white faces anymore).
There’s been a housing crisis here for years and you’re waiting literal months for a GP appointment, special schools filled to capacity with SEN children having to stay in mainstream, and yet so many extra people have been moved in to the area, already poor and rundown.
2 boys/men who are new here almost caused absolute ructions at the beginning of the year because they robbed an Asian lad of his coat at knifepoint.
Within 10 minutes 4 cars filled with Asians drove up and surrounded the 2 men and got the coat back. Luckily no violence was used but it feels like a tinderbox here with so many bored young men doing nothing with their day (yes I’m including some white British men and boys in that too).
I’m not being told by those who haven’t experienced the shift in their towns that I’m imagining anything 🤷🏼‍♀️

900 mostly men arrived on Monday

These are two different issues though.
The issue that I'm referring to is the market for prostitution which keeps women and young girls trafficked in brothels all over the place. Without customers they wouldn't exist.

I've no reason to lie ,it's all anonymous on here ,so I'm free to be honest.
His opinion on the grooming Gangs are ..white men commit more SA than any others and to say otherwise is racist..
He genuinely does believe in open boarders ,he says rich people leave houses empty and to disarray, because property goes up in value and councils give grants out to wealthy people who neglect the property,so there's no incentive to have tenants in ,as the house prices rise and they make money that way ..so he says if all those houses were given to people who need them ,and Buckingham place was used to house people,there would be no housing crisis.
Bizarrely he went to private school,and had a childhood I could only dream of .
I loose track of what I think myself on these issues ..as he can talk a good talk and has an answer for everything

I don’t think it is people that arrive on a boat that are the problem so much as those people who come from other countries that are involved in crimes. I wish they could be instantly deported. We don’t want them.

Yes I also worry about the tensions amongst the different groups, especially amongst young men. It’s scary.

I’m in australia and we have the same arguments about numbers but it is different. Firstly I’m a migrant here - I had to pay 7.5k for my visa, undergo heath and security checks and prove I could support myself for 2 years before being granted the privilege of living in this country. Boat arrivals are dealt with harshly and swiftly. Australia chooses to a large extent who comes here and imports the skills it needs, most are net contributors.

Which is as it should be.

Yes I am experiencing anti social behaviour on my street because of HMOs occupied by migrant men. I don’t know their migration status, no one consults the local community about these decisions (which obviously doesn’t help matters). The fly tipping is a mixture of rubbish people dump on the streets and furniture. I guess the landlords are responsible for the furniture? The point I am trying to make is that the OPs open border beliefs are all good in theory but I wonder how much he is impacted by high recent migration. How bad do I have to find it before I am allowed to say that I am not happy with it?

@MiloMinderbinder925 - are you in favour of open borders? And, if yes, why?

@Grumpybird4 it is not bizarre at all that he went to private school and had a privileged upbringing - all the people who think like this are the same. If is a mixture of naivety and not experiencing the downsides. Unfortunately these are the people in power so it'll get alot worse for the poorest in particular.

Absolutely this. I work with students in a high school who have arrived under horrendous conditions and have friends who work with older refugees also. Some of them have been waiting to be processed for years. In many cases over 5 years and still no further on. They want to work and build a life. They are not here to 'scrounge'.

No we could t return many to France pre Brexit @SeriaMau. We could only do that if they’d actually claimed asylum or been fingerprinted in France (ie arrested). Since the asylum seekers and the French are very well aware of that fact they made sure it didn’t happen often. Look at the numbers - they were very small. I’m ex immigration so know a fair amount about it.

The UK is in a very worrying position. Chatting to someone recently whose family came here from the Indian sub continent in the 80s and is very negative about recent arrivals. If other non white people are thinking Reform is the answer then we're in trouble. We're in financial trouble thanks to Tories trashing the country, and Labour are struggling to get to grips with it. Meanwhile, half their voters want a more Reform-like approach, while others think it's all too right wing and want to give the Corbyn approach yet another run out. I dislike and distrust Farage and am very concerned about Reform winning an election. At the same time I can see why people are unhappy with things as they are and I'm not sure what the answer is.

For anyone relying on pip and UC for disabilities,it's a disaster who ever gets in.
Reform and conservatives want to go further than Labour with cuts .
Why are they going for the vulnerable
They could take a paycut themselves,I read somewhere taxing the very wealthy an extra 2% could fill the same hole ..I mean like multimillionaires.
Can't remember where I read that though
Applying a 2% tax on assets over 10 million,could raise up to 24 billion a year .
22000 people would be effected..in the big issue I think .
Article..would a wealth tax have generated more cash than benefit cuts .
Seems obvious to me

Brexit is completely relevant and one of the main reasons for such massive numbers now.

That’s incorrect. You do know asylum claims peaked in 2002?

And have you looked at what’s going on in other EU countries at all

English, Spanish and Chinese are the most widely spoken languages worldwide, but English is the most-used/taught second language. It's also relatively easy to speak badly, and is the primary language of the Internet. The UK is the easiest English-speaking country to reach: only the Channel separates us from the continental landmass that stretches from Portugal to the NE Chinese coast.

I'm not in favour of open borders. The surge in people wanting to live here would be impossible to sustain.

@MiloMinderbinder925

Milo, very carefully re-read what I wrote and then tell me what part of your post contradicts what I said.

All you’ve done is said I’m wrong, then found the bit of the Convention that repeats what I said about why the UK doesn’t prosecute. Are you under the impression that it’s not illegal entry if they subsequently claim asylum? Because you would be very much mistaken.

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/illegal-migration-bill

@mummyto9angels You could not be more wrong. Brexit made zero difference to the numbers of asylum seekers. If you don’t believe me, the stats are public. Have a look at how many people we returned under the Dublin Agreement before Brexit and you’ll see for yourself.