The boats ..can we chat about it

[Grumpybird4]

4 more years of a labour government,so nothing is going to change,it's only going to get worse ..help me make sense of it please.
Where are they all going to live , where is the money coming from to house them and feed them and pay their bills..do they bring their families over when they have gained asylum here ,do we have enough Doctors appointments, hospital appointments and housing .
My husband supports open boarders ,he says there is enough money in the UK to house all whom want to come here ..but his argument for that is the royal family need to go ,and free up their money..
But that's not going to happen so there isn't actually enough housing or money.if there was we wouldn't have families in temporary accommodation for years ,and the government wouldn't be trying to cut pip if there was enough money.
My husband says when the UK goes round invading other countries it creates displaced people with no homes ,those are the people on the boats and we should help them all we can.
Government is now saying we should take the people in ,who live in the Garza strip , Palestine..yeah they definitely need help.
But all I hear is budget needs cutting..yet more people arrive .
Selfishly I have two disabled DC who will never live alone .they are going to need a council flat and help ,or assisted living..I'm worried sick for their future.
Worried reform will get in and strip all disability benefits
Worried about the amount of people coming in and the lack of homes for them and how that will effect my children.i know that's selfish..but we all want to put our families first .
I have great sympathy for the people coming over on the boats ,but I don't understand where the women and children are ,I just see men in the photos
So if it's safe to leave women and children behind,it's safe for men to stay and try to make a life in their own country
My husband says that whole family's club together to find the money to send a young man here for a better life ...but I don't get that ..how are they going to pay the bills once granted alyslum..two people on good income can't keep heads above water with cost of living.
I lie awake at night worried and feeling like a bad person for having these thoughts ..no one wants to discuss it ..I'm trying to understand the governments thinking,but I can't make sense of it ..what is the governments plan long term for these people,regarding housing,is there going to be enough for everyone

"The rich" pay loads of tax already which is why so many of them are rightly buggering off (we are near the top for losing rich people). You are c talking about a few number of Internet companies who are not going to solve our problems. The problem is too many takers from the welfare system which these men are adding to and not enough net contributors. The rich tend to be in favour of own borders as it doesn't affect them as they are unlikely to live in the same street as the criminals some of them are and means they can pay their workers a pittance with the slack picked up by the taxpayer via tax credits. Pathetic cartoon btw.

Yes you are right sexual crime is a problem amongst all communities. Sadly an inconvenient truth that people don’t want to accept is that sexual crime is higher amongst migrant men in the UK. People don’t want to believe it as they are more concerned about being called racist. We don’t like to confront the issues we are creating for ourselves in this country. We now have posters up in the tube telling men not to stare at women. It’s very depressing.

Respectfully I strongly disagree, also with the narrative that “the rich” are leaving Britain. This isn’t true, it’s fear mongering.

But in any case I’m talking about rich corporations not high net worth individuals. And foreign companies are coming here, taking over our jobs and industries and markets, sending the profits overseas to their home countries, and not putting enough back into the country either through tax or investment. Sound familiar?

You're confusing two issues. The people coming on the boats are asylum seekers. They are put up in accommodation and given a stipend while their claim is processed. Their qualifications aren't relevant as they are seeking refugee status.

You're talking about giving working visas to economic migrants.

Your vote is private by law. You are meant to vote for your own choice, not under coercion from others.

@EdisinBurgh you do realise that both things can be true? There is an exodus of high earners https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/reeves-labour-tax-non-dom-millionaire-b2684803.html but also successive govts have allowed foreign companies to asset strip our industries. Anyways this is irrelevant to the debate over illegal migrants -both things are bad.

I think the UK has to become an unattractive place to migrate to. I’m not against migration but nobody who comes here to live should receive state benefits, housing, education, health services etc, potentially even after having lived here and paid into our tax system. There should be a threshold of several years to qualify and probably at a tiered level based on how much has been contributed. I don’t think this is very far removed from migration prior to the introduction of the welfare state - you moved to another country and supported yourself and your family.

I don’t consider myself to be racist (some may disagree) but I don’t think multiculturalism really works (either on racial, religious, or social levels) as humans are, by nature, tribal, and this seems more apparent amongst the less well educated (and often stoked by those who want power*). There is the opportunity for large scale dissent if immigration continues as it has.

I know this may cause a skills shortage but getting people back in to work needs to focus on that.

And I say this as a lifelong Labour voter. I think they’ve been shafted by the last 14 years of Conservative actions, and I would never vote for Reform.

• Nigel Farage

This - he is indulging luxury beliefs held by opinionated teenagers and comfortably off people living in places where there are no migrant hotels.

ID cards would help! Many of those coming illegally know theres a a ready-made dark economy of cash in hand jobs going. If everyone had to have an ID card then this would basically be impossible, and modern slavery too.

Would it? Germany have ID cards and similarly high number of undocumented migrants

Thanks. Fair enough. But the two things are definitely related. It’s all about the money.

The economy will determine who the government is - and public funding pays for immigration management. It all costs money.

So what do you say to people whose communities and streets are impacted and changed by the hotels and HMOs? Do we just have to put up with it? Because it is refugees their needs matter more no matter what the circumstances? I know these are tough issues and people always want to be good and do the right thing but the reality of your doorstep makes it not so easy.

That cartoon gets trotted out at least once a day by someone, without the intelligence or imagination to at least look for something fresher.

I would say that I haven't seen any evidence of people's lives being turned upside down by people in hotels. I've seen articles in the right wing press about people feeling uncomfortable about asylum seekers being present in their vicinity.

Ditto threads on 'illegals'.

Someone posted Starmer’s pre GE rhetoric on getting tough upthread

He’s not having much luck. People will talk about Labour’s failings.

He says to look at Hitler and WW2,and the same is happening here with the hatred towards migrants.
I got called a fascist,
he said ..I didn't know I was living with a fascist ..
I don't even know what I said ,I was just talking about reform in the elections,I must of sounded positive towards it ..
I got my own back ,I told him he was a Champagne socialist,and asked if he will be sharing his dad's inheritance with the migrants .
So that is how things were left ,and we now don't discuss anything around this subject...and none of my few friends want to discuss this ,so ..this thread

Gosh, he's ticking all those silly lefty boxes.

I have HMOs on my street. I wouldn’t say my life has been turned upside down but I have to put up with anti social behaviour, fly tipping that the council won’t remove, groups of young men congregating on the streets, increased crime, open drug taking and drinking. My street wasn’t the nicest to begin with but it’s just getting progressively worse. No one had any sympathy for us, we just have to put up with it. For most people this stuff is just a theory, the reality is that it’s the poor who are impacted and no one gives a shit.

“I haven’t seen it, therefore the ones who claim to must have read it in the right-wing press” blah racists blah

It seems like you are experiencing antisocial behaviour on your street and blaming asylum seekers. For example, how are asylum seekers fly tipping?

I’m not pp, but no, to me it wouldn’t make perfect sense to put my kids in a dodgy dingy and risk their lives just because I wanted to get to a particular place.
Fwiw, my own family have been it that situation, wishing to escape an oppressive regime.
They wanted to move to a particular country where they knew someone who could help them get settled, they started learning the language in advance, but then the country of their choice stopped accepting new arrivals.
So the option they had was a different place, where they didn’t speak the language and weren’t particularly keen on in general.
But that’s where they moved, because that was the option they were given. They didn’t just rock up at the place of their choice anyway, just because that’s where they wanted to be.
And it all worked out for them in the end.

Lack of evidence. We can all make stuff up to justify our views.

@PlipPlapPlop the irony being that it’s actually diverse communities impacted the most! White middle class people in nice areas are all for open borders. Me and my long established diverse neighbours are battling with the problems caused by the HMO residents on our streets. People like to think it’s all so simple.

What was once a prominent hotel in our regional small city now is used for migrants. It is a beautiful building in the centre of the city. It now looks very run down and sad. I think it is harmful for the culture of a community like ours that what was once a place of pride and seen as somewhere special is now effectively a giant hostel, courtesy of the taxpayer. The hotel system is morally wrong and divisive.