The boats ..can we chat about it

[Grumpybird4]

4 more years of a labour government,so nothing is going to change,it's only going to get worse ..help me make sense of it please.
Where are they all going to live , where is the money coming from to house them and feed them and pay their bills..do they bring their families over when they have gained asylum here ,do we have enough Doctors appointments, hospital appointments and housing .
My husband supports open boarders ,he says there is enough money in the UK to house all whom want to come here ..but his argument for that is the royal family need to go ,and free up their money..
But that's not going to happen so there isn't actually enough housing or money.if there was we wouldn't have families in temporary accommodation for years ,and the government wouldn't be trying to cut pip if there was enough money.
My husband says when the UK goes round invading other countries it creates displaced people with no homes ,those are the people on the boats and we should help them all we can.
Government is now saying we should take the people in ,who live in the Garza strip , Palestine..yeah they definitely need help.
But all I hear is budget needs cutting..yet more people arrive .
Selfishly I have two disabled DC who will never live alone .they are going to need a council flat and help ,or assisted living..I'm worried sick for their future.
Worried reform will get in and strip all disability benefits
Worried about the amount of people coming in and the lack of homes for them and how that will effect my children.i know that's selfish..but we all want to put our families first .
I have great sympathy for the people coming over on the boats ,but I don't understand where the women and children are ,I just see men in the photos
So if it's safe to leave women and children behind,it's safe for men to stay and try to make a life in their own country
My husband says that whole family's club together to find the money to send a young man here for a better life ...but I don't get that ..how are they going to pay the bills once granted alyslum..two people on good income can't keep heads above water with cost of living.
I lie awake at night worried and feeling like a bad person for having these thoughts ..no one wants to discuss it ..I'm trying to understand the governments thinking,but I can't make sense of it ..what is the governments plan long term for these people,regarding housing,is there going to be enough for everyone

No, not from their fellow travellers, but from the traffickers and criminal gangs controlling passage along the way. Girls are often captured for sexual slavery and/or sold to other criminal gangs to be trafficked into Europe/Africa/middle East for prostitution. Including UK, Ireland, France, everywhere. Many women are forced into prostitution in towns all over the country.

Same @Fedupfed. My town looks and feels completely different now, there’s scores of men just hanging around the town centre. I feel unsafer here than I ever have before.

I thought the same of your comment.

A man interviewed on BBC radio 4 news yesterday having just made the crossing with his children said his parents were legally in the UK. He spoke English, not French. This is where he wanted to be, for the future of his children and so he could support his parents as they aged.

Do you agree that makes perfect sense?

Easier then. Now it’s economic bunfight time.

Yes @PlipPlapPlop same and I am fed up with it. We basically have a criminal gang living on our street. Men in flashy cars come and go all day, random people visiting the house, groups of men congregating outside the house. I suspect it’s people trafficking or worse. It’s not just the scary criminal behaviour it’s the low level anti social behaviour, the litter, the noise, blocking the street with their massive cars. They are here to make money and send it home. People who want to contribute to society and make a home here should be welcome. Why are all these random men here? Why am I supposed to feel bad for them?

No, that’s completely incorrect.

The illegal thing refers to their method of entry. By bypassing immigration control, they’ve entered the UK illegally which is an offence under immigration laws. They aren’t prosecuted for this, because we recognise that there is no lawful way to travel to the UK specifically to claim asylum. If they’re refused asylum and they don’t qualify for leave in any other category (eg, Humanitarian Protection, A3 of the ECHR etc) then they become failed asylum seekers and liable to removal from the UK.

He still doesn't need to make the crossing though. It's not a life or death situation between staying on mainland Europe and coming to the UK. He wants to come here, and why anyone would risk their child's life by putting them in a small boat when they don't need to beggars belief.

Let's say he's telling the truth (we only have his word for it) and that he does have family here, what about the other 1700 who have made the journey in the last 3 days, they can't all have family here.

Probably not but English is very widely spoken by asylum seekers, which is obviously an huge head start in making a new life.

What makes me angry is these men get housing immediately no questions asked. If my daughter and granddaughter come back to live here after 5 years abroad, they get no help with housing until they’ve been back in the country at least 3 months, then it’s not guaranteed they’d get anything.pisses me off my taxes go towards these illegals.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-25933699.amp

This is from 2014. I wonder if the bill has fallen or risen since then?

No idea, I’m afraid.

Yes modern slavery and trafficking is rife, women are often at risk from the traffickers and the men they travel with. Migrant men are also more likely to be perpetrators of sexual crimes. This recent high migration is bad for the women caught up in it and also bad for women of the UK.

The only answer I can come up with is to go back into Europe so we can send them back (normally to France) as we did pre-brexit.
We promised to give asylum to Afghanis and their families who worked for the British government in the war and are now under threat of death - the government broke that promise as they said we simply don't have the housing for them.
The benefits gravy train needs to stop other than for those individuals who genuinely need our support. Too few putting in and too many just taking out.

That's completely incorrect. Refugee Convention:

Article 31 - Refugees unlawfully in the country of refuge
1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence.

We have never had a mass arrangement for sending people back. It was a couple of hundred with hard criteria for it to happen.

If any party wants to send all those crossing back to France it’d need a different arrangement.

This

That's for refugees?

I wonder if there’s a point where this doesn’t get put on a thread. How high could crossings get before it’s not used.

I don't agree on your fellow travellers. Obviously all cohorts of men will have individuals who will commit sexual violence but the huge, huge threat to women and girls migrating are the criminal gangs and traffickers who control the routes and traffick them into sexual slavery, into "brothels" all over. There's a huge market in this.
We also need to look at men in Europe, including in our towns, who are customers of these brothels. These men are men we all know. I saw a documentary on this and it was horrifying.

No
But he probably wishes he was

This is all fine in theory. I am supposed to understand that being annoyed with the recent high migration is not the problem. I should be annoyed with the rich people in charge. However it doesn’t work when the economic migrants on your street are not here because they are refugees. They are making your community a horrible place to live and are making money from illegal activity. Why can’t I be annoyed that these people are here? I am annoyed at the situation I live in and annoyed with the rich people in charge who make it happen. So many who are pro immigration and open borders fail to understand this. Usually because their day to day lives are not affected by it (unlike us poor racist plebs).

I’m just saying that the economic arguments and concerns in this thread would be helped if the rich actually paid more tax in the UK

I’m not saying that illegal immigration isn’t a massive problem and doesn’t require more attention.

These two things are directly related; (a) rich corporations should also pay more tax; and (b) we need a different strategy for managing both economic migrants and sanctuary-seeking refugees fleeing war.

Eg Amazon sells more than twice as many goods here as Marks & Spencer but pays much less tax in Britain. And it is destroying small livelihoods and business. Amazon tax has big scale potential - eg funding Home Office jobs which in turn work on these immigration problems!

I know how you feel. I don't think the press help, but there does seem to be a lot of these "illegal migrants" arriving by the thousands.

Mostly men, and not ones with highly sought after qualifications/skills either. The lovely hotel we were married at that used to do many weddings and events has now been taken over into housing immigrants. It now looks worse for wear.

Maybe we need to look at how other countries deal with the problem. Thing is, if I want to emigrate to the EU, Australia, USA etc, it's not easy and they probably wouldn't want me, despite having qualifications, no criminal record, etc.

By rich do you mean Amazon or whom are you including?

If it’s just Amazon and similar I’m not sure how easy that is.