The boats ..can we chat about it

[Grumpybird4]

4 more years of a labour government,so nothing is going to change,it's only going to get worse ..help me make sense of it please.
Where are they all going to live , where is the money coming from to house them and feed them and pay their bills..do they bring their families over when they have gained asylum here ,do we have enough Doctors appointments, hospital appointments and housing .
My husband supports open boarders ,he says there is enough money in the UK to house all whom want to come here ..but his argument for that is the royal family need to go ,and free up their money..
But that's not going to happen so there isn't actually enough housing or money.if there was we wouldn't have families in temporary accommodation for years ,and the government wouldn't be trying to cut pip if there was enough money.
My husband says when the UK goes round invading other countries it creates displaced people with no homes ,those are the people on the boats and we should help them all we can.
Government is now saying we should take the people in ,who live in the Garza strip , Palestine..yeah they definitely need help.
But all I hear is budget needs cutting..yet more people arrive .
Selfishly I have two disabled DC who will never live alone .they are going to need a council flat and help ,or assisted living..I'm worried sick for their future.
Worried reform will get in and strip all disability benefits
Worried about the amount of people coming in and the lack of homes for them and how that will effect my children.i know that's selfish..but we all want to put our families first .
I have great sympathy for the people coming over on the boats ,but I don't understand where the women and children are ,I just see men in the photos
So if it's safe to leave women and children behind,it's safe for men to stay and try to make a life in their own country
My husband says that whole family's club together to find the money to send a young man here for a better life ...but I don't get that ..how are they going to pay the bills once granted alyslum..two people on good income can't keep heads above water with cost of living.
I lie awake at night worried and feeling like a bad person for having these thoughts ..no one wants to discuss it ..I'm trying to understand the governments thinking,but I can't make sense of it ..what is the governments plan long term for these people,regarding housing,is there going to be enough for everyone

Around 70% are given refugee status.

Yes I am sceptical about why. Something isn’t right.

70% are allowed to stay for various reasons. Not recognised as being in danger of persecution. Just not removable plus it makes the stats look better if the backlog is cleared. The same cohorts of people get a lower acceptance rate elsewhere.
Once they get accepted and get a document and some money together they generally go home for a holiday!

Because they've been found to be unsafe in their country of origin. If you look at the countries they are coming from eg Iran and Afghanistan, you can understand why.

I'd love to see that evidence. Can you provide a link please?

I would understand it if they were women but I am sceptical of these men and their reasons.

I don't understand why. Men as well as women are persecuted by authoritarian regimes.

Plus women and children are more likely to be plucked by the gangs for sex trafficking. It's less safe for them.

True, 5 years ago I would have whole heartedly agreed and believed all these men are here for genuine reasons. Sadly I am no longer convinced , maybe I am wrong and unkind but so much of it doesn’t make sense. The way my area has changed for the worse due to high recent migration has also influenced these feelings. When it comes down to it my experience has made me think more sceptically about migration. I think we need to be able to talk critically about it and make changes. The system we have now isn’t working.

Migrants and asylum seekers are different categories.

The data in that link to show that asylum seekers positively contribute to economy is very limited - the only claim is about refugee doctors and the data linked is from 2008.

Migrants are here on a visa issued before arriving, on premise that they will contribute to economy whether through work and paying taxes or propping up the University sector with fees.

Measuring whether migrants make a net positive contribution is complicated and
depends on e.g. if they apply for right to remain and then start using e.g. NHS and education services if they have children.

Migrants generally have 'no recourse to public funds' while on student or working visa and have to pay an NHS levy (I believe waived for workers on healthcare visas).

Hmmm. DH is an immigrant from Iran and is highly skilled. As a native Farsi speaker, he volunteered to help asylum seekers in our nearest city. He very quickly became utterly disillusioned with the nonsense peddled by many of them in the interests of getting ILTR. Men supposedly at risk of persecution for being gay who then applied for leave to bring their wife and children to the UK to live with them. A great number of Iranians worshipping in the congregation at the cathedral, at risk of persecution in Iran for their Christian beliefs - until receiving that lovely letter from the HO that means they need never worship Jesus again. DH despises the Iranian regime, but was dubious about many of the things they reported as happening to them in Iran. He was embarrassed by the lies peddled, by the calibre of the people arriving from his home country (because Iranians are generally highly educated, mannered and eloquent) and now takes a much tougher view.

More anecdata, of course. But even DH is planning to vote Reform - not because he has the slightest confidence in them, but as a way of pressing the “fuck it” button and giving the left-wing establishment a black eye over its credulity and naïveté in the face of a blindingly obvious mugging by opportunists.

@Vinvertebrate

Your husband should contact the HO and present his evidence that Iranians have hoodwinked the government. He sounds very well informed for example, blaming the left for people coming over on boats when they've been in for a year and for voting for people because "fuck it", a noble reason. He sounds highly educated.

Hi @MiloMinderbinder925

Yes, he did pass the information on (to the organisation for which he was volunteering and more officially) at the time, but little appears to have changed. It’s very difficult to prove a negative ie establish that a person claiming to be gay, Christian, another of the myriad things that would get you persecuted in Iran, is not. And once the UK accepts it as fact, that person can never be deported. So we’re left with a Hunger Games-style ordeal to reach the UK and to think of a credible reason to be allowed to stay

Whats your solution btw? Have you ever volunteered to help asylum seekers? Do you think they invariably tell the truth (unlike all other humans)?

DH has a PhD and is an authority in his clinical field, which in turn offers him (and me) the dubious privilege of being rinsed for tax every time Labour is elected. But the current dissatisfaction with politics seems to correlate very little with education or attainment, and I think you’ll find the “fuck it” button being hammered in 2029 - that’s if the current government lasts that long. And “the establishment” has been left of centre for infinitely longer than a year. I don’t hold Labour uniquely responsible for anything other than their own incompetence (which to be fair, is abundant).

Is that meant to be sarcasm at the end. Whichever way he does sounds highly educated.

@MiloMinderbinder925 - do you think it would have been ok for thousands of British men to sail off to safer climes in either WW1 or II ? Leaving women and children behind?

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Err what?

We will end up asking for asylum ourselves. I can’t understand how a perfectly fine first world country ended up with this mess. Once all the benefits are gone may be is when people would start realising the real consequences of this. The wealth of the Royal family is a drop in the ocean for the demands coming ahead and won’t go far at all so that is laughable.

The only option is leaving while we can.

Oh! The uneducated and semi-literate want a word!

Well he is being brainwashed to feel guilty for being British and middle class. There are a bunch of people who thinks like him.

Yes?