The boats ..can we chat about it

[Grumpybird4]

4 more years of a labour government,so nothing is going to change,it's only going to get worse ..help me make sense of it please.
Where are they all going to live , where is the money coming from to house them and feed them and pay their bills..do they bring their families over when they have gained asylum here ,do we have enough Doctors appointments, hospital appointments and housing .
My husband supports open boarders ,he says there is enough money in the UK to house all whom want to come here ..but his argument for that is the royal family need to go ,and free up their money..
But that's not going to happen so there isn't actually enough housing or money.if there was we wouldn't have families in temporary accommodation for years ,and the government wouldn't be trying to cut pip if there was enough money.
My husband says when the UK goes round invading other countries it creates displaced people with no homes ,those are the people on the boats and we should help them all we can.
Government is now saying we should take the people in ,who live in the Garza strip , Palestine..yeah they definitely need help.
But all I hear is budget needs cutting..yet more people arrive .
Selfishly I have two disabled DC who will never live alone .they are going to need a council flat and help ,or assisted living..I'm worried sick for their future.
Worried reform will get in and strip all disability benefits
Worried about the amount of people coming in and the lack of homes for them and how that will effect my children.i know that's selfish..but we all want to put our families first .
I have great sympathy for the people coming over on the boats ,but I don't understand where the women and children are ,I just see men in the photos
So if it's safe to leave women and children behind,it's safe for men to stay and try to make a life in their own country
My husband says that whole family's club together to find the money to send a young man here for a better life ...but I don't get that ..how are they going to pay the bills once granted alyslum..two people on good income can't keep heads above water with cost of living.
I lie awake at night worried and feeling like a bad person for having these thoughts ..no one wants to discuss it ..I'm trying to understand the governments thinking,but I can't make sense of it ..what is the governments plan long term for these people,regarding housing,is there going to be enough for everyone

From France? Its child endangerment to take achikdren on a perilous journey from a safe country.

440 arrived yesterday.
Day before - approximately 885.

I urge you to read the public posts of Chris who every day films and counts how many are arriving at Dover.

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Are those old people largely in their own homes or social housing?
God damn them living longer than they would have in the past! 🙄

This. If you were genuinely fleeing persecution or threat from a regime in your home country wouldn't you stop in the first safe country you could get to and apply for asylum there. The gangs make huge sums of money promising to get people to the UK. Not just to a safe country.

We also need to remember that not all asylum seekers arrive on boats.

Your post implies people who are against mass uncontrolled immigration lack intelligence.

So older people who are born, contributed and raised in our county are problem? Should we be bumping them off to make way for these immigrants then?

The solution is never mass uncontrolled immigration.

Absolutely, this. Legal immigration is very high (good, it’s needed atm). “Illegal”immigration is tiny.
Every desperate person risking their life during these crossings has the right to seek asylum in the UK. They become illegal only when their claim is assessed and rejected.

Does he have evidence of them bringing in guns?

What is too much? Let’s say 500 million opt to come to Britain. Acceptable?

Aside from boats, I think immigration from “entitled” persons is too great. It is continually replenishing a “first generation” so integration never gets going. And also cultures where the daughters/ women never work and cease education early are not beneficial in terms of tax paying - they are net takers.

Also presume these old people mostly worked and paid taxes, spoke the language, had western education and values, paid for their own house etc and were generally integrated into British society - but hey - kill them all off for the boat people whose countries are mostly completely failing their citizens.

Ah. Reformites have finished with the scapegoating of disabled people, now it is back to the old favourite.

Best no one talks about Labour’s failings on this.

All that smashing of gangs is going so well.

But they don't NEED to risk their lives crossing in a small boat from France which is a safe country. They WANT to come here. There's a big difference.

I can't believe how, even after this last week, you have no shame at levelling that charge. After how Reeves frogmarched a cost saving bill that punished the disabled in such a aggressive way that her own backbenchers had to fight to pull the meat out of it.

If you were living in a war torn hellhole and your teenage boys had a chance to get out you would help them. The bit about why so few girls is that it is just too dangerous for them to make the journey , sexual violence is rampant .

Because there's no sexual violence in war torn hellholes?

Aah yes, the risk of sexual violence from the very men who are headed here. What joy.

The pp seems to miss it was Labour pushing welfare cuts. Always others at fault.

Amount of people coming in on boats is miniscule compared to people outstaying their working visas. That is the issue. Not sure why the government don't admit this instead of letting everyone believe it's 'the boats'.
They get a working visa, it expires, they claim asylum.

I agree. The Welfare Bill is an utter disgrace. It should have been completely pulled.

None of that means Reform and its supporters are disabilty friendly and doesn't scapegoat disabled people along with people arriving on small boats.

And it's not just the cuts, which are necessary. But that they pushed it through quicker than the Timms review, that the pushed it through without speaking to their own party, they pushed it through without the promised co-production with disabled groups, they did it and have now created an arbitrary tiered system to access, they have frightened a vulnerable group with no benefit to show for it - AND now it's going to cost us more than if they had done absolutely nothing at all - and THESE are the people you think have the moral and intellectual high ground @PandoraSocks ?

What a very silly comment.

Making a comment on Reform's attitude to people with disabilities does not equal approving of Labour's disgraceful Welfare Bill.

Reform would want to go further than Labour is attempting to. But let's not derail.

I'd suggest do we have any evidence of them not bringing guns would be more relevant. Given no one knows how many and who are coming in (although many from countries.we fought against) and that they are all criminals (as they have entered illegally) then the presumption must be that some are armed.

At least if Labour went back to being the opposition you could go back to pretending that they are super compassionate and caring?

I agree with everything you say about the Welfare Bill and I have been opposed to it from the start.

None of that means I can't also criticise Reform over its attitude to disabled people, does it?

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Do you live in a nice place? I live in a poor area with multiple challenges. It has been made even worse by recent high economic migration. It is awful living next to HMOs full of mostly men who treat the road like a rubbish bin and do not care about this country or community. I will be told I am racist and that I am supposed to value these people above wanting a pleasant cohesive community for my children. The irony being that the people who criticise live in nice leafy suburbs not blighted by criminal activity that these men are involved in. I am sick of it, it’s not about race (my area has always been diverse). The hard working immigrant community who have been here for decades are also sick of it.