The boats ..can we chat about it

[Grumpybird4]

4 more years of a labour government,so nothing is going to change,it's only going to get worse ..help me make sense of it please.
Where are they all going to live , where is the money coming from to house them and feed them and pay their bills..do they bring their families over when they have gained asylum here ,do we have enough Doctors appointments, hospital appointments and housing .
My husband supports open boarders ,he says there is enough money in the UK to house all whom want to come here ..but his argument for that is the royal family need to go ,and free up their money..
But that's not going to happen so there isn't actually enough housing or money.if there was we wouldn't have families in temporary accommodation for years ,and the government wouldn't be trying to cut pip if there was enough money.
My husband says when the UK goes round invading other countries it creates displaced people with no homes ,those are the people on the boats and we should help them all we can.
Government is now saying we should take the people in ,who live in the Garza strip , Palestine..yeah they definitely need help.
But all I hear is budget needs cutting..yet more people arrive .
Selfishly I have two disabled DC who will never live alone .they are going to need a council flat and help ,or assisted living..I'm worried sick for their future.
Worried reform will get in and strip all disability benefits
Worried about the amount of people coming in and the lack of homes for them and how that will effect my children.i know that's selfish..but we all want to put our families first .
I have great sympathy for the people coming over on the boats ,but I don't understand where the women and children are ,I just see men in the photos
So if it's safe to leave women and children behind,it's safe for men to stay and try to make a life in their own country
My husband says that whole family's club together to find the money to send a young man here for a better life ...but I don't get that ..how are they going to pay the bills once granted alyslum..two people on good income can't keep heads above water with cost of living.
I lie awake at night worried and feeling like a bad person for having these thoughts ..no one wants to discuss it ..I'm trying to understand the governments thinking,but I can't make sense of it ..what is the governments plan long term for these people,regarding housing,is there going to be enough for everyone

Yes ,but if they are coming from a country we invaded and went to war with ,does that not make us responsible to help them .
If we caused the fact they are homeless,
As country we definitely need to not get involved in any more wars .
I usually vote green ,but I'm not sure my vote has been doing much

All people aren't all stupid you know. We can see with our own eyes what is happening, see how much money we have in our bank accounts no matter how hard we work but watch train drivers getting vast payouts for no improvement, see our kids fail to get on the housing ladder, see the huge change in demographics in the last few years, see the rise in unemployment. What's wrong with raising it on mumsnet. Or do we all have to tow The Party's line and keep quiet? Probably the latter. Don't want to end up in jail for disagreeing with Keir.

Yes and how many sleeper cells are there now in this country . We don’t have to worry about an enemy abroad , they are already here . Never in my lifetime have I seen so much hostility in this country based on wars abroad .

OP there are plans to expand Wethersfield ex RAF Base, and others I'm sure, so house them in.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg92lyr7yvo

But it doesn't seem like much of a solution to me.

Please vote for whomever you wish and don't let your husband influence you!

£500 million given to France to stop boats launching in the first place, French police watching the boats launching.
I think it's unfair to say Labour aren't trying.It was also happening under the conservatives.
As for Reform they can't run local councils, taking down flags, asking in parliament about banning the burka.
Can see that's the most important thing to most of the UK population.

I don't mean to be selfish or worried about my own safety and that of my family or anything unreasonable like that, but do you think all these people coming in illegally from countries Tony Blair may have ordered the army to fight in (and perhaps killed members of their family) have any great love for the people of the UK?

Wait what’s the thing about train drivers?

Or Borders.

Apologies I've just seen your comment about dyslexia.

You also can't spell border.

Labour caved in to their union backed client voter based as soon as they got in and gave them a 15% rise. Train drivers are now paid £70,000 and they are going for more this year. This is not pegged to any improvement in working practices. Nice work if you can get it! And is obviously more important to Labour than winter fuel allowance etc.

When you can't be bothered to have a discussion on the points raised - attack spelling 👍
So stupid.

It seems no party really have any inclination to stop the small boat crossings. I suppose keeping the cash in hand economy and cheap labour is still economically beneficial for them. I think we've passed the point of being called racist if issues are raised, so perhaps good discussion and problem solving may start in the years to come, especially if Reform keep growing.

Where do you think the 879 people than washed up just on June 30th are going and who’s footing the bill? The numbers we are given also don’t include the people who got in to the country undetected so we’ll never know the true figures.

It's not a race to the bottom! Every sector needs a payrise. Good for them. We need the other unions to pull their finger out and get teachers, doctors, nurses on decent wages too.

Agree. I think we are beyond calling everyone concerned about numbers and who is coming in "racists". Perhaps people are now realising they need to start having a sense of self preservation and protecting their own interests and that of the country. Hopefully.

I don’t think the people coming here on the boats is a significant cause of things like cost of living crisis / difficulty getting nhs appointment. I think the underlying driver of all that is massively increased inequality in recent decades, a massive transfer of wealth from both normal individuals and governments to a few absurdly rich people. It grinds everything to a halt. Plus brexit, making it harder to export to a major trade partner. Covid, of course. Political choices to not invest in public infrastructure for a decade. As well as the global stuff like climate change and wars driving up food and oil prices. So what can be done? I’d go with quantitative easing to pay for anything that can be made / done within the uk, lots of investment in sustainable food and energy production, manufacturing, housing, targeted education programs. Taxation has to be a big part of it, closing loopholes for the super rich, eg taxing their uk property more so than attempting to track income / profit. And we have to figure out health spending. That’s really tough and a political minefield.

ETA fully in support of a robust and honest conversation about migration. We need some. We morally should help others. We can limit migration and it’s not racist to do so.

Assuming there is money from the private sector go pay for this largesse.....

Have a look at the projection for population rise in the next decade. And compare it to the cost of this rise.

You are linking two separate things, OP.

Asylum seekers have no right to public funds or social housing - they are supported (barely) by a separate budget. They won't be bidding on the same flats as your children. You've been whipped up into a frenzy about a very small group of visible and desperate immigrants which has little impact on your life.

What about the huge amount of funding going to defence and foreign wars? Instead of welfare?

Your husband makes a good point about the UK's foreign policy chickens coming home to roost.

Eh? Are you meaning you worry that immigrants have kids so then there are more of them? Or that the population rise can be entirely attributed to people arriving on boats? Genuinely not understanding you, sorry

I agree it’s all very concerning .
I watched a programme where they discussed the people coming over in boats have a list. They know their rights and demand to be given accommodation and benefits. This can’t be right surely.

I think this worked for Labour pre GE (bizarrely) but won’t as numbers go up.

Who will pay for everything - UK taxpayers. Why the government is not doing anything about it ( boats, chaos , etc). Are they stupid? No , they are not stupid. They are doing it to create more division, increase taxes, erode middle class completely and introduce digital IDs. Fast track to digital slavery.

I'm more concerned about legal routes. Neighbour, foreign nurse here by way of NHS job/nurse visa. Now working very very few hours on bank. Husband working full time as taxi driver. Her mother moved over several months ago and there is now a 2 year old too. So 1 person gets a skilled worker visa to come here, but does absolute minimum hours in the role, the husband works as a taxi driver and a total of 4 people are using the infrastructure, the NHS etc that they have paid very little into. How does the UK benefit from this? There is no effort to integrate, money isn't spent in the economy, the kid isn't being taught English. I just don't get it, surely we have enough taxi drivers.

No ..I meant I don't think the things you listed is the main issue. It's population rise in the next decade and which is projected to cost net billions that we won't have.