The boats ..can we chat about it

[Grumpybird4]

4 more years of a labour government,so nothing is going to change,it's only going to get worse ..help me make sense of it please.
Where are they all going to live , where is the money coming from to house them and feed them and pay their bills..do they bring their families over when they have gained asylum here ,do we have enough Doctors appointments, hospital appointments and housing .
My husband supports open boarders ,he says there is enough money in the UK to house all whom want to come here ..but his argument for that is the royal family need to go ,and free up their money..
But that's not going to happen so there isn't actually enough housing or money.if there was we wouldn't have families in temporary accommodation for years ,and the government wouldn't be trying to cut pip if there was enough money.
My husband says when the UK goes round invading other countries it creates displaced people with no homes ,those are the people on the boats and we should help them all we can.
Government is now saying we should take the people in ,who live in the Garza strip , Palestine..yeah they definitely need help.
But all I hear is budget needs cutting..yet more people arrive .
Selfishly I have two disabled DC who will never live alone .they are going to need a council flat and help ,or assisted living..I'm worried sick for their future.
Worried reform will get in and strip all disability benefits
Worried about the amount of people coming in and the lack of homes for them and how that will effect my children.i know that's selfish..but we all want to put our families first .
I have great sympathy for the people coming over on the boats ,but I don't understand where the women and children are ,I just see men in the photos
So if it's safe to leave women and children behind,it's safe for men to stay and try to make a life in their own country
My husband says that whole family's club together to find the money to send a young man here for a better life ...but I don't get that ..how are they going to pay the bills once granted alyslum..two people on good income can't keep heads above water with cost of living.
I lie awake at night worried and feeling like a bad person for having these thoughts ..no one wants to discuss it ..I'm trying to understand the governments thinking,but I can't make sense of it ..what is the governments plan long term for these people,regarding housing,is there going to be enough for everyone

vote reform

How can I possibly vote reform with disabled children
Plus my husband would divorce me

I've got dyslexia and autism,makes it difficult

You're rude and not answering the OP.

OP I don't know the answer either. The boats are still pretty small numbers compared to other legal migration routes. However I understand the increasing concern as the numbers rise.

No need for snobbery.

You are rude and your post has no value.

As pointed out on the same post you made on another thread, there's no rabble rousing needed given the current polls.

Will never stop until the UK stops being more attractive than other options. People have always moved around the planet. The British certainly did.
The numbers are not that large in the great scheme of things but yes of course we need to stop the boats. Makes a mockery of having any immigration policy and very unfair to those who labour through the visa system. Most will be a drain on the UK for most of their lives. If they stay here. Asylum shopping is big business now and these people drift around Europe looking for somewhere that gives them what they want.

Agreed.

Look at the options there are for unofficial jobs, take some of those away, would be a start. Moped delivery drivers, enabling the proceeds of crime to be hidden by shops with little genuine income (vape shops, barbers with no customers, for example).

The one we cannot do anything about that is a factor is English as a widely spoken additional language.

Gosh, you’ve got quite a lot of time to follow people round the internet, don’t you?

And where do you think people are getting their general vibes about who to vote for these days? It’s hardly from reading a broad and balanced number of high quality publications, is it….

Just my thoughts.. probably stupid
But if they are working illegally,why does the government not let them work legally instead of claiming benefits..like if that was the policy,would that mean only the genuine would come .
I don't mind them working,it's got to be better than sitting around all day .
Stuff Im reading is that a lot can't prove who they are anyway,so it's a matter of time before they are granted alyslum and can work.
If we had free labour market so any one could work here , instead of claiming benefits would that help the situation or make it worse

I don't usually follow people about. You and I are clearly on the same two recent politics threads and your phrase rabble rousing was posted at similar times. No need for you to be embarrassed though.

I think that a lot of people feel the same way as you. Are you married to my DH? He is always on about getting rid of the royals & making the rich pay for everything. He’s pretty much a communist.

I think there is a divide currently between those who think we can accommodate everyone & people who are fed up. Middle class people in mainly white areas are often more keen on open borders & people in poorer areas are more affected so they are less keen.

The whole of Europe seems to be in the same position (except Poland & Hungary). So I honestly don’t see an end to it.

The Alcatraz style detention centre Trump has built looks like a concentration camp & I can’t see us doing that. The tories tried setting up Rwanda & the boat Bibby Stockholm but both failed. Even when someone is on a deportation flight there is often someone who disrupts it as they feel sorry for them (then it turns out they are a criminal). There are lawyers who fight to keep people in the UK which costs us a fortune. So it’s almost impossible to send anyone back.

I don’t know which party will be supportive of disabled people. I think it depends on the issue they have. I think they are probably looking at the rise in payments to people with ADHD, anxiety, Autism which have increased dramatically. I see many more children with some sort of diagnosis than ever before & I don’t know if it’s linked to getting benefits paid. I don’t know how easy it is to claim so can’t really comment on that.

You will have a lot of people who accuse you of being racist. But I think it’s a complex issue & I can understand people getting upset.

I teach students who are asylum seekers & they are lovely. So there are some children coming over.

A free labour market would not work well for people. Remember Rachel Reeves is making part time work for younger people (for example) much more expensive due to the Employers National Insurance rise. So if you have millions of workers coming in and undercutting wages that will mean greater unemployment for everyone.

The boats didn't start in the last year they were also problematic whilst the conservatives were in.

Boat numbers are tiny
Real boat problem is that people put themselves in such appalling danger to come.
yes probably too much migration, but not definitely and DEFINITELY the boats are a total distraction

OP, I really recommend the film Io Capitano. It's about two young lads from Senegal sucked in by the Europe they see on TikTok. They decide to go to Italy to earn lots of money to send back home where they and their families live in poverty.

The film charts their (pretty horrific) journey from Senegal to Italy at the hands of various traffickers, and really gives a bit of insight into the industry of making money out of these people sucked in by a fantasy.

I don't know what the answer is to people arriving in the UK by boat. It's big business for warlords and gangs in the countries they are passed through, so more efforts to deal with them perhaps? They're extremely powerful, though.

I didn't know that, ok thanks

I regularly watch Border Control and think we need to adopt the Australian way of thinking. Anyone who cannot support themselves from the word go does not get granted access.

The UK is barely managing to look after its own people (NHS, disability funding, dentists, education), why on earth would adding more reliant people to that be a good idea?

Immigrants who are moving here to work and use their own money to set up a life for themselves is fine. They will become tax payers and part of the system.
Im afraid Boat people are not those.

How will he know who you vote for? It's done in private.

Anyway, in short- labour won't stop the boats and they won't stop forcing us to pay for it.

Agreed and a lot of them have the same sort of narrative... outside influences perhaps

I don’t think labour has the political will to stop them . All they need do is make it less attractive for boat people but they won’t . Hell they can’t even get through welfare reforms because of their far left backbenchers never mind reduce the boats . Reform is the only party who shows desire to stop them .
Labour will bankrupt this country and certainly anyone who works and pays taxes , saves , because their growth is coming from nowhere and they have no other option but to raise more tax from working people , directly or indirectly .

It must be dawning on Starmer and co by now that ‘smash the gangs’ is not possible.

ETA vote for whom you want op, you don’t have to fall in line with anyone.