The boats ..can we chat about it

[Grumpybird4]

4 more years of a labour government,so nothing is going to change,it's only going to get worse ..help me make sense of it please.
Where are they all going to live , where is the money coming from to house them and feed them and pay their bills..do they bring their families over when they have gained asylum here ,do we have enough Doctors appointments, hospital appointments and housing .
My husband supports open boarders ,he says there is enough money in the UK to house all whom want to come here ..but his argument for that is the royal family need to go ,and free up their money..
But that's not going to happen so there isn't actually enough housing or money.if there was we wouldn't have families in temporary accommodation for years ,and the government wouldn't be trying to cut pip if there was enough money.
My husband says when the UK goes round invading other countries it creates displaced people with no homes ,those are the people on the boats and we should help them all we can.
Government is now saying we should take the people in ,who live in the Garza strip , Palestine..yeah they definitely need help.
But all I hear is budget needs cutting..yet more people arrive .
Selfishly I have two disabled DC who will never live alone .they are going to need a council flat and help ,or assisted living..I'm worried sick for their future.
Worried reform will get in and strip all disability benefits
Worried about the amount of people coming in and the lack of homes for them and how that will effect my children.i know that's selfish..but we all want to put our families first .
I have great sympathy for the people coming over on the boats ,but I don't understand where the women and children are ,I just see men in the photos
So if it's safe to leave women and children behind,it's safe for men to stay and try to make a life in their own country
My husband says that whole family's club together to find the money to send a young man here for a better life ...but I don't get that ..how are they going to pay the bills once granted alyslum..two people on good income can't keep heads above water with cost of living.
I lie awake at night worried and feeling like a bad person for having these thoughts ..no one wants to discuss it ..I'm trying to understand the governments thinking,but I can't make sense of it ..what is the governments plan long term for these people,regarding housing,is there going to be enough for everyone

Don't worry, it's perfectly fine, I'm sure we are about to start smashing the gangs any day now.

Thanks @WilfredsPiesyes the numbers are publicly available.

There were three before 9am. Anyone would think it was co ordinated.

How many Ukrainians did we take in at their time of need? Doesn’t needs of others matter as well?

And you’re the reason why people are flocking to Reform. Talk about an own goal.

Imagine.

I was particularly enjoying the use of the imaginary straw man DH in this one.

It might help to reframe your narrative a little. You refer a lot to "them" or other posters "the boat people".Understandably it is easier to depersonalise the plight of somebody who is desperate enough to risk their and their children's lives on a perilous journey to an unknown place. The alternative of putting yourself in their shoes is harder but might soften the worry you feel.

Personally, I can't imagine being so desperate to escape my homeland that I would risk my own or worse, my children's lives. The reform party are doing a great job of spreading a lot of populist political agenda - that need to be fact checked.

Migrants and asylum seekers actually positively impact the economy on the whole. This site dispels some myths about productivity etc.

www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/stay-informed/explainers/the-truth-about-asylum/

What is? Can only Labour use mn

“You’re racist” is a pathetic way to shut down conversation around legitimate concerns. I’m not interested in anything said by anyone who says it 🥱

100% agree with you @Grumpybird4 Labour promised to try and put a lid on this, (when REFORM wiped the floor with them 2 months back,) but they appear to have done fuck-all so far. It was all hot air, like most of what Labour speaks. And now they are fucking over the disabled and ill. Wish I'd not voted for them now. Never again!

Yep, this boring old trope is best ignored. People spout it now for the most innoffensive and mundane things that it's lost its effect now. I just roll my eyes when I see racist accusations when people just voice perfectly valid concerns about the 1000s of SINGLE YOUNG MEN coming over to the UK on boats. Just ignore. They'd soon start ranting if some of these men were moved next door to them.

I think your husband is right.

Don't vote reform whatever you do. They're just interested in syphoning the money into their own pockets and those of their mates. Voting in venture capitalists is not the way forward unless we want to be poorer and the country to be worse. These are the people who gave you Brexit which is responsible for a lot of what you describe OP

Being exasperated by Labour's performance on an issue that they have failed to deliver on doesn't make you a reform voter.

This time last year, Starmer said: "That is my message to the smugglers - these shores will become hostile territory for you. We will find you, we will stop you, we will protect your victims, with the Border Security Command, we will secure Britain’s borders," he said.
"So, I say to the British people: if I am elected to serve this country ... I will turn the page on Westminster's 'talk tough, do nothing' culture. Not just on small boats. Not just on migration. On everything,"

At that is what Labour voters expected. 35% of the voting electorate that delivered a government with a whopping majority expected.

Smashing the Gangs was a Labour promise, and what does that promise look like today, with crossings up 40% since that speech?

Yes, but if all these young single men ARE desperate to escape their homeland, then why are they passing a dozen countries to get here? Why not just stop at the first safe place they get to? Why do they always head for the UK?

Also, it's a well documented fact that many of them are economic migrants. Not all of them are 'fleeing conflict and war.'

Exactle. Labour have done fuck-all to put a stop to it so far.

Pre Brexit the same people wouldn’t need to get a small boat to Britain because once they get a European passport from any country they can come over with a ticket on the ferry under free movement.

This. ^

Yeh what was this hot air. That some believed on here.

It was the usual 'lefty' stereotype. I bet he has blue hair 🤔

Brexit means that we could say no to every one of those 750,000 if we chose to rather than having no choice under free movement. The decision to rubber stamp those 750,000 is a betrayal of the British people. If other political parties won’t commit to reducing immigration Reform will be our next government.

Whatever is SUPPOSED to happen clearly isn't in the case I mention. Whatever checks and balances that are supposed to be in place aren't working.

@Grumpybird4 well I have not and will not ever vote for Reform!! I am still against the boats!!!

We're all against people risking their lives to come here via small boat. Most decent people are against the pittance these people are given to live on, the shambles of the HO processing system and the fact these people need security because of the far right. The riots last year put our country to shame.

Only until they get PR though. You just have to play the game and you're home free in 5 years.

The key reason there is shortage of housing (& every public service or shared amenity) is too many old people, many of them living in too big homes. Old people as proportion of total population has steadily climbed for last 50 years. There are lots of people alive (way more than iiregular migrant counts) that wouldn't have stayed alive this long in 1975.

Who will clamour that people should die sooner?
Easier to "blame foreigners" for shortage of public services, innit.

I speak as age > 50 person living in a "too big" home.