1,000 new PIP claims per day?

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Is this true? (From someone who is naturally cynical of government info.)

If it is, is there something else behind the statistic? Is it because people have to reapply or something like that?

This is from the government website:

"Monthly PIP awards have more than doubled since the pandemic, rising from 13,000 to 34,000 - a rate of around 1,000 new claims per day, or the population of Leicester every year."

I find the statistic unbelievable.

You have a right to say whether what I have put is true fact or not. You have a right to counter argue and provide evidence to back up your opinion.

You do not have the right to comment on my mind because you do not have the ability to read it.

You do not have the right to suggest that I am a man hater. If there were as many women in those boats as men, you might have a point, but 85% have always been men, age between 18 and 24,and in their countries, of military age is what they are.

You have to prove that all of them - hundreds coming daily - are oppressed in their own countries and are genuine, and it is necessary for us to spend millions of pounds a year providing them with accommodation, when British nationals are desperate for somewhere to live.

Only last night a hotel housing immigrants was found to have a thriving takeaway business. Food sellers have to be licensed. They have to be clean. They also have to have delivery drivers who do not attack 14 year old girls when they deliver a pizza.

That is FACT. It is not my opinion. I give my opinion ONLY on facts. I do not make them up. I do not lie. My dear lovely late husband was a Vicar. I would not insult his name and his calling by lying and cheating. I like to think that I can pass on my knowledge and help people.

I expect other posters to do the same. If you do not like my opinion you have a right to express yours. I think you should stick to that.

I have NEVER used the term FIGHTING AGE MEN.

I use the term ''MILITARY AGE'' because that is what they are, and what they are in the countries they come from. That is the term used in the statistics of the government and other authorities. There is nothing wrong with it. It is fact. You are implying that they are all armed for fighting. They are not, nor have I ever said it. I have belonged to Liberty for years. I am seriously considering giving up my support, because obviously they are having too much influence on people.

The flights to Rwanda served the purpose of dissuading people to come illegally.

The news yesterday that there is a move to send ALL of them back because of the time it takes to weed out the genuinely oppressed is what it comes to because the Government cannot cope with the processing. The migrants kicked out of Sweden were yesterday found to be in Calais. They were returned to their country and made yet another effort to come here and reached Calais. How did they manage to get money for another try? They were not free to work in Sweden, and were supposed to be penniless when they went there, yet they were able to travel through Italy and France to Calais.

That is fact. It is not fake news on my part. You have as much access to information as I do - if you know where to find it.

If you choose to use 'fighting men' to describe the boat loads of men coming across the English Channel instead of going to an British Embassy, legally, that is down to you. You have no right to put your own interpretation and say it is mine.

I do agree with you, but I think a lot of the reason is more the cost of the benefits, not so much the number of applicants. The government want to save money. They are in a position to do what they like with statistics. I don't know where the 1,000 a day comes from, but is it really true? Are there that many applications, or that many successful applications?

We only really have their word for it, don't we? They have not proved to me that there are so many new applicants. They have now put back the termination of many existing claimants, and said they will change the criteria next year. We only have their word for it.

Why was it necessary for the government, at this time, to discredit disabled people? Have they tried to see if there are jobs available? Will we see street cleaners pushing their carts in a wheelchair, or dragging them behind them. Now that might be a farcical thing to say, but when you think about it, that is what reality is, only perhaps not pushing or pulling street cleaning carts!

The cost of the benefit system is astronomical. We know that. It cannot be sustained, we know that too. It needs looking into.

I do not believe it could be done as fast as this if it is done properly. They were in government 11 months before telling us that they can save billions by cutting the benefits bill. How can a government know how many claimants they can ditch in such a short time? How long does it take to work out how much money can be saved?

Why is it so urgent to save that money now, particularly? Would the pound have dived as it did last night against the Euro and the dollar if the government had waited just a bit longer for the civil service to work out the figures?

I think you make a fair point of refugee/immigrant costs. But perhaps it's a topic for a different thread

Oh you are so right. You put it very well. I don't have that depth of knowledge.

Your comment about chemicals like insecticides and weed killers is right at the heart, because I have believed that for many years. In spring garden centres fill the shelves with snail and slug pellets for VEGETABLE beds. Do they think that the pellets don't touch the vegetables - or the roots! We have wildlife lovers telling people not to use pesticides like that as the birds eat the slugs and die too, which is right, but shouldn't they also be telling humans not to grow and eat vegetables that might be contaminated? You cannot make meat and veg cleaner by washing them under the tap, either. Better to wipe with paper, because the chemicals in water to make it safe mix with other elements.

Are there enough with your knowledge and experience to make a difference? I doubt it, because most people do not even realise they are ignorant of the facts.

I will not allow sprays of any kind in the house, and people think that is fanatical, and perhaps now there are not so many of them, When you consider the polish spray, the fly spray, the spray for wiping down surfaces and the spray for fabrics, and many others, including those little puffs in the air from socket smellies that people think are just wonderful, must of necessity combine together in the air.

Who knows what damage is all done when we breathe them in? We blame a lot on traffic pollution, and fail to see the dangers in our own homes.

A friend of mine has a child who is ND, and suffers from asthma and breathing problems, yet can you tell her that all those drying herbs she has dangling from the ceiling might be causing it? We know so little, yet we should know much more.

I tried to get PIP for my daughter for when she went away to university. She has cerebral palsy and ADHD and could have really benefitted from some extra help with cleaning, laundry, carrying shopping and cooking. She was refused. The person who assessed her said if she could boil a pan of pasta, she could cook. She did no physical tests to see if she could do any of the cooking activities that use two hands and the suggestion that she lacked the executive function skills to manage cleaning and laundry were dismissed as messy teenager. We appealed and were still knocked back. She lived on take-aways and had to rely on her flatmates to help her clean her room and change her bedding.

Being knocked back twice made me realise that either PIP is hard to get and claimants should be respected, or PIP assessment stigency varies from region to region, or even that some people exaggerate to qualify. Indeed, I also suffer from a chronic health condition and I have seen people with the same condition explain to others that you can get PIP with this if you describe what it's like on your worse day ever for the forms. This surely is deceitful. It seems to me the whole system needs a massive overhaul to make it fairer.

It is attitude which does exist. There is a new one which I received when I tried to tell a nurse I was allergic to something: ''Are you arguing with a professional?'' There was no argument until she made it so.

That is unforgivable. I have that allergy scrawled in big letters across my medical notes, and if she had had access to them, she would have known that. In the event I was ill for days.

I would agree, but the government, BBC, Sky all seem to report on those two subjects together. Why is that, do you think?

To get people angry at one group or both

So that it whips up people like you into a frenzy

Works really well doesn't it.

In what way does discussing a small minority of Muslims, then arguing that most Muslims don't agree with or like them support your previously stated view that "Every muslim has to vow that the whole world must be under sharia law, and most want that to happen in their lifetime, to see it."

It is your comments that are fanning the flames of hatred and terror - terrorism is not something unique to any one group of people, and not does it require an army behind it. You are peddling unbelievable conspiracy theories that even Farage would find too ridiculous.

And yes, I not only have read the Quran, but I also have many, many friend across the world who are Muslim, Sikh, Buddhist... of all faiths and none. Personally I am a Christian who does not accept or adhere to a Christianity filled with hatred and contempt for others. Which is why I am a priest. And why I will continue to believe in humanity despite being sadly disappointed in some examples of it.

Every Muslim has to vow 😂

It’s not Brownies

I can’t take @llizzie seriously anymore. No one sane actually believes that bile. And I’m still yet to hear what this fantastically well coordinated Muslim army is waiting for.

Slowest uprising in the history of time 😴

I'm shocked they're still allowed to post.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/telegraph-corrections-and-clarifications/
Telegraph have issued another correction - this time on motability. Obviously most will only see the original article, which is the point of ragebaiting I suppose.

Well you can understand how professional journalists could get it wrong, because there's barely a single internet source to tell people how the scheme works, is there?

The legal way to claim asylum in the UK, involves specific steps and requirements. Asylum can be claimed either at a port of entry by sea or air or if you already live here.

You must be physically present in the UK to make a claim.

Nor is it without restrictions when you do apply through Motability. If you are not able to drive yourself, you can have up to three drivers with clean driving licenses and no criminal record. They also have to live within five miles of the disabled person. There is limited mileage, and frequent checks to make sure those drivers are not using the car for their own purposes, or delivering and so on.

All servicing and repairs are carried out under the same scheme when you lease the car. You have to pay your own petrol or electricity.

Not all the cars need an advanced payment. That varies with the size of the car.

You can also have adaptations made. If you rather need a wheelchair you can exchange the mobility for a wheelchair.

It is a good scheme overall, because you are protected from paying repairs and maintenance, and from drivers taking advantage. It is that advantage that disabled people prefer, because it is possible for anyone to lease a car.

If you choose to put your own interpretation on posts of other people to discredit them, that is up to you.

If you do not like what other posters say, you have the right to say it and to give your point of view. You have to prove that what you say is right.

If you know it is a fact and you don't like it, you have the right to say so. You do not have the right to throw personal insults against a poster just because you do not like them, or what they post.

If I am wrong, tell me how, and correct me. Just make sure that you post the truth.

There is. It is called Motability.

You have to know that it exists, and more publicity should be given about it.

I am surprised the government has not included more information about car leasing in their promise to get people working. That tells me it is all talk. There are employers who think they cannot employ someone who has difficulty getting to work. If the workforce had more information they would be more inclined to employ the disabled.

The disabled still need to get to work when they have found a job, and they will still need Motability. Many disabled people are in work because of the scheme. The problem is that they are very often low wage earners and still need UC.

Another reason why the government is way out on the calculations, and I think that is one reason for Ms Reeves/ distress.

Disabled people who need a wheelchair more than a car can also use their mobility to lease one. How else could they afford to pay for a wheelchair which can cost up to several thousand pounds?

That, ultimately, is what is wrong with giving the public the impression that the benefit is not deserved and there are budget savings to be made. No one can afford to buy a specialised wheelchair, even second hand, if they could find one.

If people were more aware of disabilities and how costly it is to live, then we would not be having the sort of debate in Parliament of the past weeks. It is unsustainable as it is, that is a given, but you cannot take away what people have now. You can only change the criteria for claiming.

Have you asked organisations like Scope for an opinion? It is possible the university is set up for disabled people.

Whether you can injure yourself when you cook with boiling water is a health and safety concern, so if students are given facilities to use for cooking, the university should ensure that all students can safely use them.

It might be worth a try to inquire, but not if it means they turn your daughter away.

I know. Why are you telling me 😂

I was just expanding on that.