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1,000 new PIP claims per day?

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flashbac · 30/06/2025 10:21

Is this true? (From someone who is naturally cynical of government info.)

If it is, is there something else behind the statistic? Is it because people have to reapply or something like that?

This is from the government website:

"Monthly PIP awards have more than doubled since the pandemic, rising from 13,000 to 34,000 - a rate of around 1,000 new claims per day, or the population of Leicester every year."

I find the statistic unbelievable.

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llizzie · 03/07/2025 00:41

K0OLA1D · 02/07/2025 19:56

This thread and others floating about at the moment, proves that point so easily

In the autumn budget the government will say that as they could not raise enough reforming the benefit system that they will have to raise the taxes instead.

I think that was probably the intention all along, because the savings Ms Reeves said she could make could never have been made. There are not enough people claiming benefit who are not entitled to it to make such a large saving.

It is all deceit, and stirring up of hatred of disabled people so that they could do what they always wanted to do when they were in opposition: RAISE TAXES.

llizzie · 03/07/2025 00:42

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llizzie · 03/07/2025 00:46

Mumble12 · 02/07/2025 12:45

Jesus Christ, Lucy Connolly & Fighting Age Men. Anyone got a bingo dabber I can borrow?

Did you know that when you have to use insults, you have lost all credibility?

DrPrunesqualer · 03/07/2025 01:32

llizzie · 03/07/2025 00:41

In the autumn budget the government will say that as they could not raise enough reforming the benefit system that they will have to raise the taxes instead.

I think that was probably the intention all along, because the savings Ms Reeves said she could make could never have been made. There are not enough people claiming benefit who are not entitled to it to make such a large saving.

It is all deceit, and stirring up of hatred of disabled people so that they could do what they always wanted to do when they were in opposition: RAISE TAXES.

We can’t say the savings couldn’t have been made as no one knows the exact content of the new proposed guidelines to get PIP in the previous proposal.
Apart of course from the requirement to get a 4 in one area, but how that would be achieved no one knows.

DrPrunesqualer · 03/07/2025 01:35

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You rightly call out others and then do the same !

whynotmereally · 03/07/2025 05:55

People question why is the number of people claiming pip so much higher I wonder if some of it is simply down to the world we live in now. Years ago there was a stigma around claiming benefits and a lot of people wouldn’t claim even if entitled. The cost of living was significantly lower so less pressure financially. A lot of families survived on one income so even if one person was unable to work the other would support them both.

The cost of living has forced society into a situation of everyone needing to work but with that we have lost free carers for children, elderly and disabled so the government has to pay or subsidise it. We have lost communities that previously would have supported each other.

Mumble12 · 03/07/2025 07:02

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what you’ve said is completely contradictory. He’s failed to stop the gangs and failed to stop Rwanda flights 🤦🏻‍♀️

Firstly, there have never been any Rwanda flights. The scheme never got off the ground. So secondly, are you suggesting he is now sending people to Rwanda.

i agree he hasn’t smashed the gangs. Was fairly unlikely that was going to happen in the first year.

RE “”fighting age men”, an explanation is only wasted if you’re going to attempt to change my mind. My interest was your opinion on why men between the ages of 18 and 50 deserve no humanitarian protection purely because they have a penis instead of a vagina. Or whether it was because you think they’re building an army to attack us all. Despite the fact we’ve been granting asylum to people from all over the world for decades…and the army is yet to materialise 🤦🏻‍♀️

PhilippaGeorgiou · 03/07/2025 07:27

llizzie · 03/07/2025 00:46

Did you know that when you have to use insults, you have lost all credibility?

Pot, kettle, black?

PhilippaGeorgiou · 03/07/2025 08:02

Mumble12 · 03/07/2025 07:02

what you’ve said is completely contradictory. He’s failed to stop the gangs and failed to stop Rwanda flights 🤦🏻‍♀️

Firstly, there have never been any Rwanda flights. The scheme never got off the ground. So secondly, are you suggesting he is now sending people to Rwanda.

i agree he hasn’t smashed the gangs. Was fairly unlikely that was going to happen in the first year.

RE “”fighting age men”, an explanation is only wasted if you’re going to attempt to change my mind. My interest was your opinion on why men between the ages of 18 and 50 deserve no humanitarian protection purely because they have a penis instead of a vagina. Or whether it was because you think they’re building an army to attack us all. Despite the fact we’ve been granting asylum to people from all over the world for decades…and the army is yet to materialise 🤦🏻‍♀️

Just to add to your comments:
The claim "Every muslim has to vow that the whole world must be under sharia law, and most want that to happen in their lifetime, to see it." is an outright lie and Islamophobia. I am struggling to see why MNHQ have not removed it after being reported, so I must assume they do not consider Islamophobia a hate crime. The law, however, does.

Mumble12 · 03/07/2025 09:18

PhilippaGeorgiou · 03/07/2025 08:02

Just to add to your comments:
The claim "Every muslim has to vow that the whole world must be under sharia law, and most want that to happen in their lifetime, to see it." is an outright lie and Islamophobia. I am struggling to see why MNHQ have not removed it after being reported, so I must assume they do not consider Islamophobia a hate crime. The law, however, does.

Oh do you know what? I was so busy replying to the first bit that annoyed me I didn’t even register that had been said. Thankfully it’s now been removed. The amount of hatred and ignorance that people feel comfortable spouting is crazy to me.

Mumble12 · 03/07/2025 09:19

llizzie · 03/07/2025 00:46

Did you know that when you have to use insults, you have lost all credibility?

😂

Fsfaava · 03/07/2025 09:24

Why are we talking about Sharia law now?

Mumble12 · 03/07/2025 09:37

Fsfaava · 03/07/2025 09:24

Why are we talking about Sharia law now?

Because someone bigoted started saying all the countries problems were caused by an army of Muslim men coming over and taking all the money and that Starmer is committing treason against Britain by handing out fistfuls of cash to them, while stealing it all from the disabled. Luckily their comment was removed so you won't be able to see it.

OneSpoonyGreyWasp · 03/07/2025 09:39

Scrodingers immigrant.

Taking all the jobs,
whilst on all the benefits.

Mumble12 · 03/07/2025 09:41

OneSpoonyGreyWasp · 03/07/2025 09:39

Scrodingers immigrant.

Taking all the jobs,
whilst on all the benefits.

Also taking all the houses, while being put up in 5 star hotels

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/07/2025 09:49

Mumble12 · 03/07/2025 09:41

Also taking all the houses, while being put up in 5 star hotels

Ridiculous, isn’t it. Blame the “other” rather than decades of failure by various governments.

I don’t know how Farage can sleep at night. Can’t imagine that he’s religious but if he is, there’s only one place he’s going to end up.

OneSpoonyGreyWasp · 03/07/2025 09:52

If you watch old shows like Steptoe and Son, you will see that they used to just blame the poor. There is always someone to blame and the more different the easier it is. If all the people of different ethnicities and religions left do people really think it will make England great again? Was England so great back in the day?

AcrylicPink · 03/07/2025 10:26

llizzie · 01/07/2025 12:52

So many children are damaged at birth because of the treatment mothers get in hospitals. They should have the benefits. They would be compensated for RTA.

There are so many children being labelled ADHD for the rest of their lives, never being able to earn a living, save for holidays and Christmas.

I think it is time that pregnant women kept a daily record of their pregnancy and the treatment they receive throughout it, and most certainly keep records of the labour and birth.

This is because many NHS Trusts have been accused of failing patients.

I’ve read that there’s a call to cut down c sections to only those in life or death situations. Apparently they’re baby not coming out of the birth canal with the bacteria associated with the baby’s face sweeping past the mothers bottom is affecting the gut microbiome which affects future health and outcomes. Gut microbiome and implications into ND is relatively new, but interesting. We also don’t know if there’s a role of microplastics, introductions of various chemicals into human systems over 70 years (some issues can build up through generations), things like chemical fertilisers, weed killers, maybe even antibiotics - yes they are life savers, but on a global scale they could have other affects that haven’t been studied yet. We should be more open minded about how nature interacts with newer technologies.

Maternal health is also now at risk more than in the past few decades, so yes, that probably does have implications on the health of children.

In many cases though it’s clear to see that there’s are strong family genetics at play and there are many more people on the ND spectrum than we know about, it’s a matter of coping - if you can cope in the world you’d never push for a diagnosis or disability benefits to help you navigate life, you’d just live your life. More children are in nurseries due to both parents having to work, without clear evidence that this is a good start for children, schools have pressure put on them to teach children to meet unrealistic targets that ignore what children are and what they need. Secondary schools have become traumatic places for many children, reflecting on the huge number of children who school refuse. Strategies are put in place but manage to pile even more stress onto children, rather than implementing actual workable strategies that reflect on what children need rather than whatever target the government want them to reach. Cost of living crisis means more and more people are living unfulfilling lives, and many are under more stress now than ever before - stress creates chronic illness, means that fewer people can cope. It’s a perfect storm that has been decades in the making.

Tiredofwhataboutery · 03/07/2025 10:42

AcrylicPink · 03/07/2025 10:26

I’ve read that there’s a call to cut down c sections to only those in life or death situations. Apparently they’re baby not coming out of the birth canal with the bacteria associated with the baby’s face sweeping past the mothers bottom is affecting the gut microbiome which affects future health and outcomes. Gut microbiome and implications into ND is relatively new, but interesting. We also don’t know if there’s a role of microplastics, introductions of various chemicals into human systems over 70 years (some issues can build up through generations), things like chemical fertilisers, weed killers, maybe even antibiotics - yes they are life savers, but on a global scale they could have other affects that haven’t been studied yet. We should be more open minded about how nature interacts with newer technologies.

Maternal health is also now at risk more than in the past few decades, so yes, that probably does have implications on the health of children.

In many cases though it’s clear to see that there’s are strong family genetics at play and there are many more people on the ND spectrum than we know about, it’s a matter of coping - if you can cope in the world you’d never push for a diagnosis or disability benefits to help you navigate life, you’d just live your life. More children are in nurseries due to both parents having to work, without clear evidence that this is a good start for children, schools have pressure put on them to teach children to meet unrealistic targets that ignore what children are and what they need. Secondary schools have become traumatic places for many children, reflecting on the huge number of children who school refuse. Strategies are put in place but manage to pile even more stress onto children, rather than implementing actual workable strategies that reflect on what children need rather than whatever target the government want them to reach. Cost of living crisis means more and more people are living unfulfilling lives, and many are under more stress now than ever before - stress creates chronic illness, means that fewer people can cope. It’s a perfect storm that has been decades in the making.

I was told by a midwife 10 years ago about the gut biome problem. Apparently surgeons sweep a hand over the mothers anus and vulva and then across babies face to introduce the bacteria they’d encounter on the way through the birth canal directly after birth.

I was having twins and considering a section so it popped up. I was under the impression it was standard NHS practice. I had a vaginal birth in the end so never experienced first hand.

AcrylicPink · 03/07/2025 11:04

Tiredofwhataboutery · 03/07/2025 10:42

I was told by a midwife 10 years ago about the gut biome problem. Apparently surgeons sweep a hand over the mothers anus and vulva and then across babies face to introduce the bacteria they’d encounter on the way through the birth canal directly after birth.

I was having twins and considering a section so it popped up. I was under the impression it was standard NHS practice. I had a vaginal birth in the end so never experienced first hand.

I had c sections over 14 years ago, it wasn’t standard practice then, I remember asking a midwife.

This article highlights it’s not just c sections

Close up of a one-week-old baby boy with dark hair and eyes. He is wrapped in a white towel and clutching the thumb of an adult wearing a gold ring. His lips are pursed as if cooing.

Many U.S. babies may lack gut bacteria that train their immune systems

Too little Bifidobacterium, used to digest breast milk, in babies' gut microbiomes can increase their risk of developing allergies and asthma.

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/babies-gut-bacteria-allergies-asthma?fbclid=IwQ0xDSwLTNLlleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHm23ISeej6RZSss8OXeIRk-9N6-Vpnw6NQ0wmpRrUs8viK4GnM8DOcckYbrq_aem_nYEd71gMoxZB4EM3-RlBnw

Tiredofwhataboutery · 03/07/2025 11:27

It is interesting, it was explained to me in such a matter of fact way I just assumed it was standard practice. I bf my other child till they were two and we were talking about how bf dc statistically have less gastro intestinal issues. Also how journey through birth canal was important for gut biome and so for c sections they seed bacteria. I’ve googled and it still seems it’s pretty controversial but it made sense to me at the time.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 03/07/2025 12:12

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/07/2025 09:49

Ridiculous, isn’t it. Blame the “other” rather than decades of failure by various governments.

I don’t know how Farage can sleep at night. Can’t imagine that he’s religious but if he is, there’s only one place he’s going to end up.

Taking a look around the place, he won't be short of company.

llizzie · 03/07/2025 15:11

whynotmereally · 03/07/2025 05:55

People question why is the number of people claiming pip so much higher I wonder if some of it is simply down to the world we live in now. Years ago there was a stigma around claiming benefits and a lot of people wouldn’t claim even if entitled. The cost of living was significantly lower so less pressure financially. A lot of families survived on one income so even if one person was unable to work the other would support them both.

The cost of living has forced society into a situation of everyone needing to work but with that we have lost free carers for children, elderly and disabled so the government has to pay or subsidise it. We have lost communities that previously would have supported each other.

As I have said many times, it is also the inability of the NHS to make treatment available when it is needed. The waiting lists for treatment is testimony that. The experience of my friend with - now inoperable - cancer over the past year also points to the inadequacies of the NHS.

Perhaps the increase in ND has something to do with the treatment through pregnancy and labour and birth. It is a relatively new term of disease, in the past 25 years.

How many mothers keep a diary during pregnancy, labour and delivery? They don't because to envisage anything going wrong is anathema to them. I think that must change. Oxygen starvation during labour can cause many of the ND diseases of today, and the NHS doesn't even know what the title covers.

Patients should speak up more and not be fobbed off with excuses and medical terms patients don't understand.

There was an attitude of ''if it is free they cannot complain'' for decades, which is there is social history. Less than 5 years after the NHS Act of 1945 it was obvious from the London smog history that the NHS could not cope. There were not enough beds and people died in their thousands. Microfiche of newspapers like the Times and Guardian had pages of obituaries. The Clean Air Act came out of desperation, and still the fledgling NHS could not cope year on year, and then came the polio epidemic, and still not enough beds for the sick.

Decade after decade there have been many examples of the inability of the NHS to cope, as as prices went up, and the NI contributions, people could not afford to pay for private treatment.

When the Act was passed, there was a two tier system of health service. Some studies have shown that the NHS was not intended as a free service for all. It was considered by the then labour government that only the working classes (more defined in the 40s/ 50s/60s/70s even. There was an assumption that those who could pay, would pay, and the idea of ''if it is free you cannot complain''. That hit hard on those out of work and pensioners, who had no choice, and what was more, the National Assistance Act was passed at the same time, and that made it plain that you could not receive two lots of benefits, so if you needed inpatient treatment, you had to take your pension and unemployment books with you in case your stay was longer than the Act allowed.

After decades of inadequacy the NHS is still unable to cope with the population, and it is by no means free, so patients should be entitled to complain.

Consider the plight of those who were given poisonous blood in the 1970s. They are still waiting for compensation even today, over 55 years later, many of those now deceased.

We now know that the atom bomb tests of the 1950s gave the men cancer, which is still being passed on through their families, and they still await even an inquiry, yet alone compensation.

The world doesn't envy the NHS. If it did, they would have something similar, and they do not.

Consider this: during the War GPs had there own set up for patients, who paid a contribution each week for treatment. That was never as high as the percentage charged through the NI for the new NHS. At that time too, the Government demanded that GPs filled in forms on patients to 'watch the psychiatric effect of war on the people'. Already the government knew everything about everyone.

When the NHS Act was passed in 1948, full of promise, everyone had an NHS number. Until the 1970s patients were not even allowed to be told what they had or what the medication they were given was. Medicine bottles were marked ''The Mixture' and pills had a label ''The Tablets'' and prescriptions were written out in Latin in scrawls!

The government had - and still does have - tabs on us all. That is why we do not need more than the MI5 and MI6.

There should be more social history taught in schools, because it is really only by looking back that we can help ourselves in the future.

Badbadbunny · 03/07/2025 15:36

@llizzie

There was an attitude of ''if it is free they cannot complain'' for decades, which is there is social history.

Still trotted out by some NHS staff today sadly when they try to justify mistakes, delays, etc.

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