1,000 new PIP claims per day?

[flashbac]

Is this true? (From someone who is naturally cynical of government info.)

If it is, is there something else behind the statistic? Is it because people have to reapply or something like that?

This is from the government website:

"Monthly PIP awards have more than doubled since the pandemic, rising from 13,000 to 34,000 - a rate of around 1,000 new claims per day, or the population of Leicester every year."

I find the statistic unbelievable.

Gosh, no absolutely not.

I have a child whose DLA is ending because she’s now 16 and the process to claim PIP is completely different. I can’t stress that enough. The criteria to get points differs massively from DLA, it really does. They also make it clear to you that just because someone qualified for DLA, that doesn’t mean you will qualify for PIP - far from it. And I am very prepared that we will have to go to tribunal.

I think it's easier for children with cancer to be awarded DLA mainly due to the fact that they have extra care needs due to their central line and often also end up with a NG tube. Children are also more likely to experience long term complications from chemo because it is meant for adults.

I can imagine it's harder for adults to qualify for PIP with cancer.

Why do you need PIP if you're working and getting a wage? PIP is to help you to be independant and presumably you are if you're managing to work?

PIP is to help subsidise the costs of having a disability. This poster might be able to cover these costs from their salary, but why should they? Other people doing the same job without a disability would effectively have more money in their pocket purely by way of not having the misfortune to have a health condition.

To deal with the extra costs of the disability

Exactly, but
The problem is there are a lot that can’t be bothered to work at all and others that can’t be bothered to work full time.
Thats why there are attitudes such as this, that’s why when we judge and question those that aren’t pulling their weight we are mocked and shamed here on Mumsnet.

If the country had a better work ethic we’d have the public services we need, we’d have enough money to provide support to the disabled and we wouldn’t have threads such as this one

If you’re working though why aren’t you meeting those costs yourself.

Why does it concern you that I am getting PIP for my disability I have been assessed for about 4 times and managed to recieve?

Because PIP is there to help me?

Why should they? It's not their fault they have a disability. Would you say to someone with cancer "why aren't you funding your own chemo"

I once said this myself (and on here) but the response (which I understand) is that it's unfair because they didn't ask to be disabled. It's also that the PIP money helps them meet their disability costs so they can work

You may say ‘why should they’ but I’d love to know

Why shouldn’t they. If they can. If they are able to work.

Is it a matter of sharing out the expense or is it because it’s unaffordable on a single wage which I don’t believe is the case

I know I’ll be slated but I really don’t see why people can’t look after themselves financially if they are capable of doing so. Then all the medical etc care is still obviously on the nhs.
Is that so radical a thought?

Yes, expecting people to pick up the (often extortionate) additional costs themselves is radical. I couldn't afford on my salary to start buying vision aids, walking aids, physiotherapy, hydrotherapy, carers to name just a few.

We're in the midst of a cost of living crisis. Lots of able bodied people can't even afford the basic standard of living. Expecting people with disabilities to be financially penalised because the 'mainstream' world doesn't cater to their needs is grim.

No
Chemo isn’t the same which is obvious
Chemo is a cure
Many people with disabilities either can’t be cured or are already being looked after by the nhs anyway.

Disabled people are not denied nhs care !

But having cancer is as much a choice as being born with a disability that would require additional costs

I get people don’t ask to be disabled but

People don’t ask to have low intelligence and get their salaries topped up to equal the big hedge funders and brain surgeons
Women don’t ask to be women and get paid to go through child birth.

We shouldn’t expect compensation for who we are, surely. ? Or as you say perhaps some do but where will it end I worry

Plus
If people are able, whilst disabled, to work if they can fund their lives why shouldn’t they but PIP isn’t means tested is it so
Why?
Isn’t this similar to wealthy pensioners getting the winter fuel allowance. If they have the money to heat the house they don’t need more.

I have friends who receive enhanced mobility which they use to lease an adapted car. That adapted car enables them to go to work

Given the cost of cars plus adaptations there's no way they could use their wages and have a decent standard of living

Should I not have applied after my stroke?

I'm 55, have paid into the system since I was 17, never been out of work or claimed benefits. I live alone.

Am I not entitled to a little bit of help when I need it?

Please remember you said 'it can't go on' if you've wake up one morning, having had a stroke in the night & your whole life turned upside down.

I could quite easily not work. Ive been questioned over and over by consultants why I remain employed. I am open and honest with all the assessors, drs, consultants and my employer.

I can't drive, can't work from work ft. Only way I can is to wfh most of the week. I have had at least a month off work due to my disability every year for the last 5 years.

I dont understand why I am being questioned about this. When there are plenty out there able to work but dont

Plus
If people are able, whilst disabled, to work if they can fund their lives why shouldn’t they but PIP isn’t means tested is it so

I can't believe you need this explaining but here we go. Two people work the same job. One is disabled, one is not. They receive the same salary. They both have all the usual living costs at the same rate (rent/mortgage, council tax etc). One person incurs additional costs as a result of their disability (lets say needs taxis as blind and can't navigate public transport safely or drive themselves). THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE TO FUND THIS PART THEMSELVES, IT ISN'T THEIR FAULT THE WORLD IS NOT DESIGNED TO ACCOMODATE THE DISABILITY THEY DIDN'T CHOOSE.

The alternative would be that person sits at home and says "I can't navigate the world, so I shall stay here and not work and receive unemployment and sickness benefits"

And possibly cost the country more by the time you include ESA, UC, etc

My OH has had incurable cancer for 7-8 years and a succession of NHS consultants, nurses, etc have all questioned why he's still working! Usually because they expect him to drop everything and attend random appointments, sometimes even 2 or 3 different appointments in one day, and when he points out that would take a whole day off work, it's their default response of "why are you working", as it's easier for them not to change appointments etc as they have no thought nor regard to patients' other responsibilities or that they have a life outside hospitals.

My mate Jim has been on the sick all his life, he's never worked.. apparently he has "psychosis".

I've never seen any signs of that.. seems normal to be.

Spends all his money on beer, pubs and now cocaine

THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE TO FUND THIS PART THEMSELVES, IT ISN'T THEIR FAULT THE WORLD IS NOT DESIGNED TO ACCOMODATE THE DISABILITY THEY DIDN'T CHOOSE

This is it in a nutshell. Thank you @Mumble12 for articulating it. I recommend not engaging with some of the posters on this thread. They will never get it. Though I suspect some of them do, but they get off on being unpleasant.

I am hoping this is satire.