1,000 new PIP claims per day?

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Is this true? (From someone who is naturally cynical of government info.)

If it is, is there something else behind the statistic? Is it because people have to reapply or something like that?

This is from the government website:

"Monthly PIP awards have more than doubled since the pandemic, rising from 13,000 to 34,000 - a rate of around 1,000 new claims per day, or the population of Leicester every year."

I find the statistic unbelievable.

Perhaps it is wage earners who are fast tracked?

It's nothing to do with that. It's people with a prognosis of having less than 12 months left to live.

The debate in and outside of Westminster is centred to a large extent on getting people off benefit and into work. We shall know more later today.

The fact is that it is not so easy for claimants to do that. It will be interesting to see how Westminster plays it out.

That may be the debate, but your statement about people having to come off pip to go onto unemployment benefits was completely wrong.

Pip is not an income replacement benefit. People can work on it.

So self employed people qualify for sick pay? I don't think they do, but I would think that your friend would get UC, and I would think she could get other benefits with UC, which is a cushion of sorts for the self employed.

Perhaps a bit more form filling?

Is she on sick pay from work? That might be why she cannot get PIP?

Sick pay doesn't affect PIP as it's not means tested (it's not an income replacement benefit)

Shows just how long the NHS waiting lists are for diagnosis and treatment.

Will we ever know the true picture?

Another thread about this issue full of ignorant comments 🙄

I have first hand experience of PIP and it’s very difficult to successfully claim.

All of the autistic people I know who get it had to appeal and go to tribunal.

unless you want to believe that an independent panel with doctors and lawyers want to lie to help people get resources they do not need, I don’t see how you could assume it’s some sort of scam.

Shows just how long the NHS waiting lists are for diagnosis and treatment.

Will we ever know the true picture?

The special rules for terminally ill people have been in place for many years.

The 6 months was increased to 12 months after a lot of campaigning by Macmillan and others.

It's not something that was brought in due to waiting lists.

Another thread about this issue full of ignorant comments

The number of people with very strong opinions despite having no clue about the criteria (the comments about 5 year olds, the working/not working etc) is unreal.

If the level of knowledge amount politicians isn't any better than it is on here, and with the constant "back to work" comments about PIP I'm not sure it is, it's properly worrying about the quality of decisions being made will be.

My son can't use public transport on his own because he can't speak.
Some people can't use public transport because it either isn't wheelchair accessible or because bus drivers won't make people fold their buggies and there isn't another bus for hours
Some people find it impossible to cope with if the bus doesn't get there on time.

Oh and my son is going to university and he is getting DSA. He gets PIP and works at the moment. When he finishes university he will hopefully be working then too. And still claiming PIP unless the government decide he is not disabled enough anymore.

You think that those who
‘don't want to work’ should be given £1000 a month with no requirement to do anything.

How do you expect that to work out.
Why would anyone stay in a country paying taxes so people who ‘ don’t want to work’ can freely do so and live off others taxes.

Agree.
Why do people keep saying this is necessary on MNet.
It really isn’t!

That’s almost impossible to answer as I’m sure you are aware.
People with AMC can have a wide variety of issues with just as wide a variety of severity.
Some cannot walk or drive whilst some can drive, walk and run.

So here in the UK it would depend on the severity in terms of support and of course treatment for individual issues.

I don’t agree with pps comment re removing financial support though for the severely disabled.

I agree my neice has "anxiety" and didn't work for 2 years. She then was lucky to get a great job through someone she knew. She's doing great there. There was literally nothing wrong with her, but it was easier to live at home, wake up late, do nothing all day and spend her benefit on Shein than work.

Agree! @isthesolution people don't work their butts off to happily give their money away to anyone who can't be bothered. Do this and all the taxpayers will leave.

What i don't understand is how people on mumsnet are always talking about their nephews or neighbours who get the highest rates of PIP for mild anxiety or for some other minor problem. The forms are really hard and it seems that if you can wash and dress yourself and heat up something in the microwave then you aren't getting many points.

Having said that, my son gets high rate care, low rate mobility dla and if you talk to my MIL she will happily tell you that he gets dla because I baby him and he just needs to "get over himself" and he will be fine. She knows he gets dla but not how much. He is diagnosed with autism and emotional development delay of 8 years behind his actual age.

So maybe it's like that and the niece with "mild anxiety" has mental health issues so severe she hasn't left her bedroom in 2 years. And the neighbour who has a bad back but does extreme sports when the dwp aren't looking has ms that occasionally goes into remission but mostly they are in a lot of pain and experiencing other horrible symptoms.

It doesn't really work like that. It's not about how bad it makes you feel but the degree to which it impairs you. You would need to provide evidence of a similar level of impairment to someone with a physical disability to be awarded and there are loads of things they can use to deny your award. Being in work is one of the big ones that is routinely used to deny claims. If you were still working with mild depression, it doesn't matter how awful you made your suffering sound - the fact that you were still working would have been used to show you were not impaired by it to the point it was disabling you - it was merely a condition. I'm guessing it's mostly people with an undeniable physical disability (eg someone like Liz Carr) who will be "allowed" to work full time but still be awarded. Others working and claiming will be doing less than 16 hours a week which is usually allowed. Other things that often disqualify people from claiming and proving they aren't disabled are things like having children you're currently managing to raise - they haven't been taken off you by social services shows you're doing ok and can't be that bad. Zero points! There are of course exceptions but if you are living any sort of functional life at all it will be used against you and you will struggle to get enough points.

Does your family know that you judge them from a distance and make baseless assumptions? Knowing fuck all about the reality of their day-to-day lives?

My neice has told me this herself, so yes. Her parents were equally disappointed but too scared to push her. Not surprising, the longer she stayed home the less confident she became. She was lucky she landed that job as she would've obky been able to get a very basic minimum of with zero qualifications, minimal work experience and two years on benefits. Luckily her life seems to be on the onwards and upwards so we are all thrilled, including her

The change isn't automatic. I had to phone up, claim and then put in an MR because I was apparently cured!

(the person who assessed me actually said that even though it's impossible)

Was this many years ago ? I have helped with a few special rules claims recently and all awarded within 3 weeks thankfully. I worked with cancer patients from 2016-22 and they were always awarded within a few weeks back then. It was only the odd one where the form had gone missing or something that took longer.

Sigh. Yet again, with feeling.... NO THEY ARE NOT.

Cancer patients do not qualify for PIP unless EITHER they meet the assessment criteria (and few do) OR they have been diagnosed as have a terminal condition and have less than six months to live.

And PIP IS NOT AN OUT OF WORK BENEFIT.

It is TWELVE months prognosis now for special rules claims, not SIX.

@Miley23 2008-2020 so a long time ago, but not the dark ages. We chased long waiting claims so saw more of those, but it was regular enough there was a campaign by various charities.

I think the average wait now on special rules is 4 weeks which is much much better.

Agreed. DH has prostate cancer, but he wouldn’t qualify for benefits. It’s currently not aggressive, and he has had no treatment. His choice. Apart from more frequent trips to the loo, he has no symptoms affecting his daily life.

As he’s over retirement age, eventually he may claim Attendance Allowance, if the cancer incapacitates him. But just having a cancer diagnosis isn’t a passport to a benefit.