1,000 new PIP claims per day?

[flashbac]

Is this true? (From someone who is naturally cynical of government info.)

If it is, is there something else behind the statistic? Is it because people have to reapply or something like that?

This is from the government website:

"Monthly PIP awards have more than doubled since the pandemic, rising from 13,000 to 34,000 - a rate of around 1,000 new claims per day, or the population of Leicester every year."

I find the statistic unbelievable.

How disappointing!

I'm talking about Facebook type groups too.

The DLA one I used made it very clear that ''on your child's worse day'' is fraud. So the PIP ones are either much poorer with advice or some people are just choosing to ignore it and then claiming ignorance if they are caught out.

And I would absolutely agree with the point that trying to ‘catch’ anyone committing ‘fraud’ has the unwanted side effect of making processes to claim support, that is very much needed and deserved, impossible for the deserving to navigate.

Absolutely. Likewise I know others who very much meet the criteria but have been rejected and had to dispute and appeal and fight armed with evidence to successfully get what they are entitled to.

Yep. So much piss taking. PIP for ADHD, give me a break. No wonder there’s no money left.

This. It really annoys me how many people, especially on here, have the attitude of they shouldn't be entitled to this, "they should go out and get a job" . Good luck finding an employer, that will employ them. I'm curious to see what labour come up with to help people with disabilities find jobs. Where are the jobs for them?? Employer's aren't going to want someone who might have take time off cause of their illness. Even if they are capable of some work.

We all have different view points. The truth of the matter is that there is not a never ending supply of money to cater for the increased demand.

It would be horrific if the outcome meant that the most deserving ended up suffering due to a cash grab by some (not all) people.

Yep.

My work were initially supportive when my son was rushed to hospital. They couldn't get rid of me quick enough when they realised he'd not be going home any time soon which meant I wouldn't be working any time soon.

I know someone who is crippled with ADHD, she doesn’t need to claim PIP because she’s lucky enough to have an extremely supportive partner and workplace. People seem to labour under many misapprehensions of how ADHD can effect people.

Ditto with parents of disabled children. Seen many a comment on the DLA and carers allowance bashing threads that ‘there’s no excuse for these parents to not work’ like it’s so easy to just find a job that will work round caring for a disabled child.

But then you see threads about disruptive ND children in a mainstream class and so many posters supporting the idea that the child should be made to stay at home, they shouldn’t ’trump the other children’s right to education’ but they also shouldn’t get free transport to the nearest special school 30 miles away because that’s the parents responsibility 🙄

Good luck finding an employer, that will employ them. I'm curious to see what labour come up with to help people with disabilities find jobs. Where are the jobs for them?? Employer's aren't going to want someone who might have take time off cause of their illness. Even if they are capable of some work.

The back to the office mandate for the Cs being immovable shows they have no thoughts whatsoever to jobs for those with disabilities.

My DD2 has WFH full time for a few years now. Her boss, her bosses boss and their boss are all happy for her to continue doing so, but the return to the office is mandatory. So adjustments atm as too many people are requesting them.
She has to take the laptop she works from home into the office (which pre pandemic was a 10 min walk, but is now two buses or bus and train away as they closed the local office) to sit at a booked hot desk and do the same as she does at home. No meeting up with her team or anything like that. That has to be done separately specifically as they can't all book hot desks together.

She went from part time to full time, came off all income related benefits and has been thriving. The office mandate will mean she loses the job eventually (she's desperately looking for something else) as it's just not something she can do multiple days a week every week.

All she can do is hope that the managers can stall her office return for long enough that she can out in an official request when they start taking them again.

i know loads 🙄 of people with ADHD. They can all walk, move, talk, run, pick things up etc. Someone who is physically disabled needs the help. No one I know with adhd has anything like the issues that a person with eg. MND, one arm, MS, cancer has.

Its.not.the.diagnosis!

How many times.

I have RA. I know people who Have RA that can fly though life. They aren't me though

Exactly.

As I said above, my work couldn't get rid of me quick enough when it became apparent my son would need more care than initially expected.

No one wants to employ someone who needs to take their child to regular appointments, to the hospital if they so much as get a temp, to regular therapy sessions etc.

Under the current system those with highest needs who use social care have care contributions taken out of their benefits by councils and there is a minimum income guarantee of £89-112 (< or > 25) of what they are left with after rent. So those not needing to buy in care or equipment on PIP are better off than those with highest needs. It’s a myth to say those with most severe needs are being protected as they don’t get to keep all the benefits anyway. Most people would struggle to live a meaningful life on £112 for all food, utilities, clothes, leisure, furniture etc It’s half what we say a pensioner needs.

I know. Same with Cancer. MS etc. I was using examples where often disabilities are obvious and help is required.

Sorry. I totally read your comment wrong. My apologies

I know. You can say it's based on needs, not diagnosis until you are blue in the face but some people are determined that people are getting PIP for a bit of depression or DLA for mild ADHD.

My son did have a diagnosis, he doesn't now because he had an illness and now he doesn't but due to his care needs caused by the illness, he still gets HRC and HRM DLA because diagnosis is irrelevant.

You have heard that not all disabilities are visible???? If people can "all walk, move, talk, run, pick things up etc" and have no other significant impacts arising from their disability then they will not be awarded PIP. Just because something isn't "obvious" (to you) doesn't mean they don't need help.

I agree.

That’s an idiotic thing to say 😂 I’m not even going to bother telling you why you are so, SO very wrong.

That would be fair, if it worked that way. However this most definitely is not the case. I know people claiming PIP who have no significant issues. They have ADHD and cheat the system. It’s not as difficult as some seem to think.

I know a number of people with ME - ranging from those who work part time with understanding employers to those who are 24/7 bedbound. I also know that it us a condition where the part-time employee can become bedbound overnight (necessitating months of recovery) after doing too much on a single occasion, or something as simple as over-heating or catching a mild virus.

Just because on Day A a person has capacity to walk, talk, pick things up etc dies not mean that they can do the sane tomorrow, nor does it mean that they should be denied eg the mobility aids or transport costs or domestic help that keep them from losing that capacity.

Think how cost effective it would be if mental health services were properly funded and these people could get help without having to resort to calling an ambulance...