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Taxes to rise to fund PIP 2

350 replies

Viviennemary · 28/06/2025 21:06

I saw the other thread was full. Still I look forward to the vote which is on Tuesday. Sky news called him two Tier Keir. Most unfair thing ever if this passes.

OP posts:
Helpmefindmysoul · 29/06/2025 20:51

alexalisten · 29/06/2025 20:41

You can get a prescription pre payment certificate to help with cost of prescriptions before I got medical exemption for hypothyroidism as my prescriptions would of been ridiculous as I take about 50 ish pills a day and am only allowed a week at a time at one point i was on dailies so I dread to think what the cost would of been

Edited

@alexalisten My apologies I may have not written it correctly. I do get the prescription pre payment certificate as I don’t qualify for an exemption with my condition. I don’t mind paying for it as I think it’s great value for whatever medication I receive.

XenoBitch · 29/06/2025 20:53

alexalisten · 29/06/2025 20:49

I cant believe i never thought to do this i cant wash my own hair. I didn't even think of going to the hairdressers. Thankyou ❤️

If you struggle with it yourself, then that is what PIP is for.
Lots of drop in hair dressers about. They will be happy to just wash your hair.

Kendodd · 29/06/2025 20:53

From what I can gather from most of these threads is that the thing that so many posters resent is disability payments for things like anxiety, depression and drug and alcohol issues.

alexalisten · 29/06/2025 20:54

Helpmefindmysoul · 29/06/2025 20:51

@alexalisten My apologies I may have not written it correctly. I do get the prescription pre payment certificate as I don’t qualify for an exemption with my condition. I don’t mind paying for it as I think it’s great value for whatever medication I receive.

To be fair I never minded paying for that as it is good value one of my meds cost over £200 a month i have no idea how much the other stuff costs.

XenoBitch · 29/06/2025 20:55

Kendodd · 29/06/2025 20:53

From what I can gather from most of these threads is that the thing that so many posters resent is disability payments for things like anxiety, depression and drug and alcohol issues.

Yes, with no understanding about how those issues can actually affect someone.

alexalisten · 29/06/2025 20:58

Kendodd · 29/06/2025 20:53

From what I can gather from most of these threads is that the thing that so many posters resent is disability payments for things like anxiety, depression and drug and alcohol issues.

I dont resent that severe depression and anxiety disorder is hell on earth unless you have experienced it you honestly have no clue. If I could get rid of either my mental illnesses or my physical illnesses I would 100% get rid of my mental illnesses. Addiction is an illness people cant work safely in active Addiction its dangerous for them and others around them

Pinkrosesyellowroses · 29/06/2025 21:00

Viviennemary · 29/06/2025 16:30

The whole point is that PIP is going to far too many people and the numbers ard going up and up and up. I refuse to believe all these people have a disability for which extra money is required. The meaning of disability has been totally lost.

I read today (in the Telegraph) that the number of 25-34 year olds claiming PIP has increased by 69 per cent in the past five years. Is this true - or am I being misled? I do not believe there are nigh on 70 per cent more people aged 25-34 with a disability than there were in 2020. The way PIP is being allocated needs to be looked at - and changed.

Fsads · 29/06/2025 21:07

XenoBitch · 29/06/2025 20:45

I know someone who uses her PIP to have her hair washed at a hairdressers.
Been told on here that it is a "luxury" and her money (which goes into her general bank account along with her wages) should not go in it because working people can't afford to go the hairdressers.
She can't lift her arms above her head. She gets PIP for that, and uses it to get her hair washed once a week.

Fair enough. I totally understand her use of that. As I said I definitely feel at a bare minimum the money should provide enough to meet the basics. Maslow's physiological needs if you will.

The only reason I understand calls to limit it is due to the taxpayer bill.

PandoraSocks · 29/06/2025 21:08

Fsads · 29/06/2025 20:50

No. Healthy food. A warm and heated home and basic utilities if you are too the point you cannot work.

I think if someone is physically healthy they aren't entitled to it and they should work for it.

I concede that if someone has mental or physical disabilities then yeah the government should give them some support.

Healthy food. A warm and heated home and basic utilities if you are too the point you cannot work

Benefits are not supplying even that standard of living. Why do you think we have food banks? Utilities are through the roof for everyone.

Do you live in the UK?

XenoBitch · 29/06/2025 21:10

Fsads · 29/06/2025 21:07

Fair enough. I totally understand her use of that. As I said I definitely feel at a bare minimum the money should provide enough to meet the basics. Maslow's physiological needs if you will.

The only reason I understand calls to limit it is due to the taxpayer bill.

I thought the calls to reduce the bill was due to the amount of people on benefits... not the amount they are actually on.

Notmycircusnotmyotter · 29/06/2025 21:12

alexalisten · 29/06/2025 17:34

Maybe we should look into child benefit and the child element of universal credit and free school meals. People chose to have children they can pay for them. Nobody chooses to be disabled

Yeah I would agree with that

Fsads · 29/06/2025 21:12

PandoraSocks · 29/06/2025 20:28

And what about the extra expenses that being disabled can involve?

You just don't get it.

Of course PIP should cover it.

alexalisten · 29/06/2025 21:16

Fsads · 29/06/2025 21:12

Of course PIP should cover it.

But it doesn't being disabled is ridiculously expensive

MajesticWhine · 29/06/2025 21:18

There are too many claims for the country to afford - 3.7 million people on PIP and 1000 new awards each day. It’s obviously completely unsustainable. The tax payer already feels squeezed and taxing the rich won’t work because millionaires are leaving the country.

Kendodd · 29/06/2025 21:19

Pinkrosesyellowroses · 29/06/2025 21:00

I read today (in the Telegraph) that the number of 25-34 year olds claiming PIP has increased by 69 per cent in the past five years. Is this true - or am I being misled? I do not believe there are nigh on 70 per cent more people aged 25-34 with a disability than there were in 2020. The way PIP is being allocated needs to be looked at - and changed.

I can believe depression/anxiety have rocketed amongst our young people. I think a huge amount of this is down to poverty and lack of opportunities for them though. Work, normal work, like supermarket, admin, warehouse, call centre etc doesn't pay. People often say that work helps mental health conditions and so many unemployed (for whatever reason) say they want to work, frankly, I don't believe them and I don't believe that a zero hours job in a warehouse would benefit anyone's mental health. Why would you want to do a boring, insecure, hard job for ten hours a day (including commute) for less money than you would get signed off work with depression? Low paid working people are living in terrible poverty in the UK so we have created a depressing anxiety filled future for our young.

Julen7 · 29/06/2025 21:20

MajesticWhine · 29/06/2025 21:18

There are too many claims for the country to afford - 3.7 million people on PIP and 1000 new awards each day. It’s obviously completely unsustainable. The tax payer already feels squeezed and taxing the rich won’t work because millionaires are leaving the country.

It’s unsustainable but Labour are letting it go on.

EasternStandard · 29/06/2025 21:22

MyNameIsX · 29/06/2025 20:33

Blame Labour.

They have everyone at each other’s throats.

The PS VAT raid, the WFA, NI, the attack on non-doms/IHT, and Reeves will come again - she will be compelled to freeze income tax bands etc.

The combination of viciousness and incompetence is beyond toxic.

Agree

labitee · 29/06/2025 21:27

I support a proposal of an annual 2% tax on wealth above £10 million. That means everyone with wealth below £10m is unaffected.

This 2% annual tax would affect around 20,000 people in the UK – or under 0.04% of the population. To reiterate, they would only pay the tax on their wealth above £10m.

One of the common criticisms of a wealth tax is that it would be impractical to collect.
This assumption is often based on historic wealth taxes in other countries.

In these examples, the threshold for the tax was often much much lower e.g. in the hundreds of thousands of pounds, or low millions.

This meant many more people were liable to pay it – making collecting the tax more cumbersome.

The wealth tax we propose would affect only 20,000 people, making administering it much, much easier for HMRC.

Like inheritance tax, it would involve a self-declaration of asset values by the tax payer, backed up by a compliance team at HMRC.
HMRC could also further develop registers of assets. This would help crack down on dirty money too.

Won’t rich people just leave?

Research suggests that between 7 and 17% of the potential revenue could be lost due to changes in behaviour, for example by moving abroad or trying to hide assets.

Even taking this potential behavioural change into account, the wealth tax proposed would still raise circa £24 billion a year. So much more than savings in benefit cuts.

Fraud is very low, almost zero.

PIP is for people that have already gone through a thorough process. It is to help will additional costs of their disability and is not a OOW or means tested benefit. Removal of it will NOT 'help people back into work'. It will also affect Carers Allowance payments.

Currently an estimated 184b a year is being saved by unpaid carers (another NHS). If they were forced to go back to work the costs would be passed onto Social Services, NHS etc.

The numbers just don't add up. An influx of disabled jobseekers competing with current non disabled jobseekers for a limited amount of available jobs. I think we can all see the issue here, employers would choose a 'box ready' worker as opposed to a disabled worker that, quite rightly, should have adjustments made for their disability.

The 'concessions' like the bill itself are abhorrent IMO. To say that if some has the same accident, with near identical affects before a certain date would be entitled to PIP and some after a date wouldn't? Also the government are being very 'shifty' as to whether this applies to children currently on DLA, then going onto PIP at 16.

I guess I would say I'm against it as a disabled parent of a disabled child. My husband (higher tax payer earner) family are also of the same opinion. However, if we as a society want a well funded functioning welfare system, it needs paying for. Otherwise, whats the point?

This welfare bill makes no ethical, moral or if you're not interested in those reasons economic sense IMO.

How to raise £60 billion for public services: our ten tax reforms

The UK’s super-rich have accumulated record levels of wealth in recent years, while our public services have been decimated and inequality has soared.

https://taxjustice.uk/blog/how-to-raise-60-billion-for-public-services-our-ten-tax-reforms/

Fearfulsaints · 29/06/2025 21:32

XenoBitch · 29/06/2025 21:10

I thought the calls to reduce the bill was due to the amount of people on benefits... not the amount they are actually on.

Yes I thought that was the aim too.

Miley23 · 29/06/2025 21:34

Buzyizzy217 · 29/06/2025 19:40

Oh really? I know no one of working age who chooses to stay at home and do nothing. I do know several like myself who quite rightly claim PIP and work.

Only 15% of PIP claimants work.

Fsads · 29/06/2025 21:38

XenoBitch · 29/06/2025 20:37

Why are you begrudging them their PIP? They were awarded it after assessment, and deemed to need it.

My DP is autistic and has a masters degree. But he struggles a lot in the other areas of his life... and that is why he was diagnosed.

Specifically because they used it for a holiday to the USA. They managed university without it, they have enough money from the maximum maintenance loan and DSA to live. There's a limit on how much the taxpayers can fund.

RoseofRoses · 29/06/2025 21:40

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XenoBitch · 29/06/2025 21:40

Fsads · 29/06/2025 21:38

Specifically because they used it for a holiday to the USA. They managed university without it, they have enough money from the maximum maintenance loan and DSA to live. There's a limit on how much the taxpayers can fund.

They had to manage because they were not getting the payment.
It is not their fault that they had a backpayment... and it is not up to you how they spend it.

Ohthatsabitshit · 29/06/2025 21:42

Helpmefindmysoul · 29/06/2025 20:36

@Ohthatsabitshit I am all on board for supporting society and whilst you and your friends in the higher bracket might be willing to the majority of people in the higher tax bracket or not don’t want to pay more taxes.
I do fall under the disability act but get no support? I pay for the NHS prescription certificate as I don’t qualify for an exemption despite having a condition that will never be cured and can only be managed?
If the majority of higher earners like you, your friends and family were happy to pay the higher taxes then there wouldn’t be a high number of individuals taking themselves and their families out of the country to keep the money they earn.
Lets be realistic we are loosing tons of doctors / dentists who may be leaving for a better quality of life but the reality is they’re higher tax payers and them leaving not only causes issues for public services but also on taxable income for the country.
You might call it a blinkered fool but where does one draw the line? As I said in my original post some conditions should be reassessed and alternative therapies provided to support them, I’ve not said remove support but all my suggestions were on how to increase the public purse through alternative methods not just slap on tax certain households.
Also you stated higher earning households. So does that mean we should change taxation methods so that we are not taxed on individual income? The government is brilliant when taxing us all individually at the point of earning but when it comes to handing out to those who may need it then everything is household based.
I am not trying to argue you with you, I salute you if you’re happy to pay more tax but not seeing the benefits of that tax isn’t helpful to anyone.

I too pay for an annual prescription certificate. It’s unbelievably cost effective and I’m sure, if like me you have ever googled the actual cost of your medication I’m sure you have seen just how much the country is supporting you. I too have a condition that is seen as a disability. I don’t qualify (or need) PIP as my needs are not at that level like very many people who are have a recognised disability.
I’m not sure how many people are leaving because they don’t want to be taxed, it’s a nuanced situation than that and high earners have always been more mobile.
Where does one draw the line? Well presumably for most civilised people it’s somewhere above starving the disabled, schools, social services and pensioners of the resources they need to have a safe and bearable life. We can do this if we want to. We have done harder things as a country.
I used to ”higher earning households” rather than “high earners” because many households consist of one high earner and one less high earner or two medium earners, these are households that I think can and should help the country and the people less fortunate and I explained the group who in my experience have an appetite for positive change.
As for not seeing the benefits you demonstrated clearly that you are oblivious to the benefits you receive, with your dismay at being asked to pay a for a annual prescription certificate, a benefit you appear to have completely missed in your rush to feel uncared for.

alexalisten · 29/06/2025 21:46

Miley23 · 29/06/2025 21:34

Only 15% of PIP claimants work.

That's funny it was 17% yesterday has their been a mass walkout