Taxes to rise to fund PIP 2

[Viviennemary]

I saw the other thread was full. Still I look forward to the vote which is on Tuesday. Sky news called him two Tier Keir. Most unfair thing ever if this passes.

So you don't think that society should aspire to a decent standard of living for everyone? Good food, a decent home, a social life, the occasional holiday? All that is good for the economy as well as the individual.

Yep. At least immigrants are getting a break from being the scapegoat for a few days.

The way I see it is that if someone doesn't work at all then the government payments they get should be enough to meet the essentials. If they get money from elsewhere (friends, family, relatives or after a lot of savings) then yeah sure.

I definitely feel that at a bare minimum they should have enough money to meet groceries z rent, utilities

And low rate pip is £29.50 a week how much is the child element of universal credit?

Yes, just a tiny reprieve, mind. The media will go full force on them again, soon.

How kind of you, I'm sure.

"Sorry you've got a brain tumour. On the bright side, we're going to keep you barely scraping by in poverty so you'll be glad when you die!".

And what about the extra expenses that being disabled can involve?

You just don't get it.

The cheapest Netflix is £5.99pm.
People who would begrudge someone on disability benefits that meagre little luxury can just fuck off.

Blame Labour.

They have everyone at each other’s throats.

The PS VAT raid, the WFA, NI, the attack on non-doms/IHT, and Reeves will come again - she will be compelled to freeze income tax bands etc.

The combination of viciousness and incompetence is beyond toxic.

Why? It’s about 4 months of average asset price growth. Hardly going to tip multimillionaires into penury.

Stay humble. This could be you in a matter of seconds.

I mean they managed without PIP just fine. They recently got a 1st in their integrated physics masters. Very happy for them obviously but they thrived and succeeded at university without government support. They also got the maximum maintenance loam (and then some). At some point the taxpayer can't fund everything.

@Ohthatsabitshit I am all on board for supporting society and whilst you and your friends in the higher bracket might be willing to the majority of people in the higher tax bracket or not don’t want to pay more taxes.
I do fall under the disability act but get no support? I pay for the NHS prescription certificate as I don’t qualify for an exemption despite having a condition that will never be cured and can only be managed?
If the majority of higher earners like you, your friends and family were happy to pay the higher taxes then there wouldn’t be a high number of individuals taking themselves and their families out of the country to keep the money they earn.
Lets be realistic we are loosing tons of doctors / dentists who may be leaving for a better quality of life but the reality is they’re higher tax payers and them leaving not only causes issues for public services but also on taxable income for the country.
You might call it a blinkered fool but where does one draw the line? As I said in my original post some conditions should be reassessed and alternative therapies provided to support them, I’ve not said remove support but all my suggestions were on how to increase the public purse through alternative methods not just slap on tax certain households.
Also you stated higher earning households. So does that mean we should change taxation methods so that we are not taxed on individual income? The government is brilliant when taxing us all individually at the point of earning but when it comes to handing out to those who may need it then everything is household based.
I am not trying to argue you with you, I salute you if you’re happy to pay more tax but not seeing the benefits of that tax isn’t helpful to anyone.

Government like to stir the pot with the general public as it takes the focus of them. Yeah blame the person with cancer or down syndrome or the person with brain damage from getting enough money for their medical needs but dont blame the government for the amount they spend in expenses or the amount they waste making dumb decisions that never end up happening.

Why are you begrudging them their PIP? They were awarded it after assessment, and deemed to need it.

My DP is autistic and has a masters degree. But he struggles a lot in the other areas of his life... and that is why he was diagnosed.

To be fair to the 'no luxuries' poster.

The aim of PIP isn't to provide luxuries. The state isn't trying to do that.

It's a proxy for care and mobility costs, with a bit of dignity of disabled people chose how they buy that care /mobility.

Maybe what you consider a necessity, disabled consider a luxury? I’ve heard so many times, I couldn’t live without my …:. and yes, people are surprised at what I do without.

You can get a prescription pre payment certificate to help with cost of prescriptions before I got medical exemption for hypothyroidism as my prescriptions would of been ridiculous as I take about 50 ish pills a day and am only allowed a week at a time at one point i was on dailies so I dread to think what the cost would of been

Plus adaptations and equipment needed. Just remember 1:6 of us has arthritis which is exhausting, painful, debilitating and frustrating all at the same time.

I know someone who uses her PIP to have her hair washed at a hairdressers.
Been told on here that it is a "luxury" and her money (which goes into her general bank account along with her wages) should not go in it because working people can't afford to go the hairdressers.
She can't lift her arms above her head. She gets PIP for that, and uses it to get her hair washed once a week.

I cant believe i never thought to do this i cant wash my own hair. I didn't even think of going to the hairdressers. Thankyou ❤️

Exactly.

Don't get sucked into luxury discussion as its a red herring.

It isn't the aim of PIP its just a guess of how much dusability costs (which is apparently a shortfall) and the best people to decide how to use PIP to help with care and mobility are the people with the condition.

My aunt has someone wash her hair. Not a luxury. Basic care.

No. Healthy food. A warm and heated home and basic utilities if you are too the point you cannot work.

I think if someone is physically healthy they aren't entitled to it and they should work for it.

I concede that if someone has mental or physical disabilities then yeah the government should give them some support.