Taxes to rise to fund PIP 2

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I saw the other thread was full. Still I look forward to the vote which is on Tuesday. Sky news called him two Tier Keir. Most unfair thing ever if this passes.

I also agree that mental health conditions such as depression and anxiety should not be under long term PIP. I say this as someone who has PTSD, and likely bouts of depression. I have found that working has assisted my mental health and supporting individuals through alternative channels might be more effective

Ah, this again. People applying for PIP have to list ALL of their health conditions. It is not unusual for someone with say, chronic pain, to also have depression. That does not mean they are claiming PIP for depression.

The people I do know that claim for depression (as in, they have no other conditions) are totally and utterly crippled by it.

Ministers face showdown on UK welfare reform as concessions fail to quash rebellion.

FT.

Game on.

No one is entitled to luxuries? Are you for real? Right, so because Joe was deprived of oxygen at birth, he should never have a holiday. Because that’s what you’re saying. Or the motorcyclist paralysed after an accident shouldn’t either? Jeez there are some truly evil peeps around.

Yes, sadly some people on here say that disabled people in receipt of benefits should not be able to spend it on luxuries. I was told that if I had any spare money after my bills etc, then I should have to pay the rest back to DWP.

There was a pp which stated that the person concerned used their backpayment for PIP to be able to go on holiday. People would have no qualms with someone receiving child benefits, saving to go on holiday, so why do you think that disabled people unable to work, should be held to a different standard?

Well, there has been posts and comments on here that are saying that if someone can go on holiday, they can't possibly be disabled enough for support.

I started to type a reply to this, but realised it is pointless. The ableism is off the scale.

Child benefit is £26.05 per child weekly. Would take quite a bit of saving to go on holiday.

. It is astounding. Have these same people never heard of special assistance at the airport, or wheel chairs, and other aids, and help available to disabled people to help them travel. There is even such a thing as portable oxygen machines!!

So what. You don't know how long the disabled person, being begrudged a holiday, has taken to save that money.🙄

Whichever side of the debate you sit, it does look like PIP reform is coming.

Remember, that strategic genius Morgan McSweeney insisted on a Labour manifesto commitment that it wouldn’t increase income tax and the other large sources of government revenue. That commitment will be a five year mistake.

Hence, Labour have to muck about raising taxes that are small sources of revenue and cutting welfare spending.

Fertile ground to allow Reform and/or the Tories back in (for another 14 years+).

Enjoy.

The social contract is well and truly broken already.
It's broken for low paid working people who can not get on in life anymore. They work all hours in crappy jobs that will never afford them even a basic standard of living or a decent home. And they they get blamed for their own poverty (because they work in a care home looking after your mum) and that they should have worked harder and got a better job. If they dare spend £3.50 on a takeaway coffee once a week, well, such extravagance is the reason they're so poor. They should have nothing.
These are the people society has well and truly failed.

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What do you mean so what? You were the one that referred to child benefit possibly being saved to go on holiday. I was pointing out the rather paltry rate.

You seem to believe that you speak for all high incomes me households, you REALLY don’t. Most of my cohort at university and the vast majority of my friends and family fall into this bracket and very very few of them aren’t willing to pay more to provide what is necessary. All of us should value the social support, in health, and in education, and in benefits for those who are disabled or unable to work. Only a blinkered fool would want to live in a country that didn’t provide this kind of support.

Don’t worry. It won’t always be this way I can assure you. Change is a coming.

I am fully with @Helpmefindmysoul

I'd like to pose an ethical dilemma to the posters horrified by the idea that disabled people in receipt of PIP might sometimes go on holiday.
I go on holiday most years, though not last year due to being pregnant or this due to having a small baby. I work full-time and also receive PIP. The monthly costs incidental to my disability exceed my PIP payments but I can still afford to go on holiday because of my wages. Is it ethically wrong for me to go on holiday because I am in receipt of pip? i MEAN, THE pip PAYMENTS ARE PAID INTO THE SAME BANK ACCOUNT AS MY WAGES SO I can't specify which specific pounds come from my employer and which from the government so, is this immoral?
Also, TO ANSWER QUESTIONS POSED BY PREVIOUS POSTERS, yes, I'm still disabled while on holiday and, in case the poster who seemed confused about my ability to access the web is still reading, yes, I can still enjoy a holiday despite being blind, just in case you were pondering on why I'd bother leaving the house when I can't see what's around me!

Is that all you were doing? If so, I beg your pardon.

Careful, you will have people questioning you for being disabled, and having children next. The cheek of it.

No one is entitled to luxuries. Not even me a working person.

The lowest rate of pip is a similar amount per week.

I reckon a sixth months back payment could do one person an out of season somewhere for a short break.

Obviously a child isn't able to holiday alone and stuck with term time only.

God beforbid a disabled person pays £10.99 for Netflix to take their mind off their pain. Its a luxury isn’t it?
End of the day the MPs claim expenses for alcohol, massive food allowances, second homes, private jets yet your angry at disabled people?

I don’t understand why they didn’t just reverse the stupid NI cuts the Tory’s did.

They only did it for votes - we couldn’t afford it then and we can’t now.

There always has to be a scapegoat, so that the masses don't look up to what the people hoarding all the wealth are doing. Disabled people are just the latest, in a long line of scapegoats being done over.