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How do you ‘punish’ a child who just doesn’t get it?

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OhShutUpThomas · 28/06/2025 08:24

I am trying my best, I really am.

3 kids. H works away and has checked out of parenting. Not the issue of this thread so please let’s not dissect it, just to highlight that although not a single mother, I am parenting alone to 3 tweens and by God I am TRYING my absolute best.

BACKGROUND:

DD8 is lovely but tricky. Currently awaiting assessment as I am sure she has learning difficulties.

She sulks and gets cross a lot. She has always been a sulker but it has massively ramped up. She is currently being kept back a year at school due to many valid issues, which she was fine with but now with transition day (season, it seems to be now) upon us, she’s quite emotional.

All of this means that I tend to excuse/not see the milder bits of bad behaviour. I don’t ignore them, but I don’t come down like a ton of bricks.

But the really bad, sulky, petulant, cross and nasty behaviour, I cannot overlook. Whatever the cause.

THE CURRENT ISSUE:

She and her sister and their friends are really into a sport. They train every week together and go to competitions about 2-3 times a month.

Last week at training, DD8 completely lost her shit at a perceived slight from DD10 (she can’t cope with any criticism, even ‘hurry up’) which ended in her hitting DD10 hard with a large stick. There was a big telling off for this, and I said any more bad behaviour and she would not be doing this weekends competition.

She semi-behaved for a day or so, then last night kicked off again massively, ending with her shouting at me in Tesco. On the way in I’d said her brother could push the trolley, and was about to say that she could swap at the end of the aisle, but before I got there she had a massive tantrum because she wanted to push the trolley. I
explained about the swap, but that now that couldn’t happen due to the tantrum. She shouted ‘FINE, I’M LEAVING’ and went to run from the shop. I grabbed her, because she’s 8 and can’t run out into the world at 9pm (we’d been to the cinema). People are now looking.

I bring her back in and she sees the people looking and smirks because she thinks she won’t get told off. I proceed to tell her off anyway. She has already been warned very clearly several times in the last 5 mins that if this carries on she will not be competing this weekend.

She answered the telling off with ‘It’s not fair, I’m not walking with you, I wanted to push the trolley’ and went to run off inside. So I told her that that’s it, she is not competing at the weekend.

She was then furious and kept asking why I was being so mean to her. She stomped around the shop giving me nasty looks.

This has carried on. Last night putting her to bed after all this she asked why I wasn’t her friend. Why I was being so mean. I don’t think she even remembered what she’d done.

I explained it all again and asked whose fault it is that she isn’t competing - mine or hers. She said mine, because I’m the one that said it. She just doesn’t get it, and I really could not have made it clearer.

I am at my wits end. I really wanted her to compete this weekend, and would have let her ‘earn it back’ but that ship had sailed I think. Her sister will have to ride her pony as I’ve already paid the entries. DD8 will have to still come and watch as there’s no one else to have her.

I am just exhausted. I’m sorry it’s long but please, and help will be SO much appreciated.

OP posts:
Pamspeople · 28/06/2025 12:02

Your anger and understandable resentment towards your husband who is acting like he has no responsibility for his three children must be palpable - it's a massive factor that you seem to have ruled out ever dealing with.

Find a counsellor for yourself, OP, someone you can just talk to about everything you're going through and have been through. You need some good long term support, you can't do this on your own, nobody should have to.

zingally · 28/06/2025 12:03

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 28/06/2025 08:43

Why did you move miles with an “absent”husband?

Why has he checked out?

I’m sorry your child sounds spoilt. A pony when she is behind with school work? Not all children can do everything. I doubt she has learning difficulties just needs more attention & support. There are probably gaps in learning from Covid era.

Maybe be nicer to her and expect basics not miracles.

You can't really blame Covid anymore...

I'm a class teacher, and the Yr1s I had when it first hit are in Year 6 now.
I have 8yos of my own, and they were 2yo and at nursery at the time. Schools are long since past the point of blaming covid now.

But I agree with your other points, the absent father, the big move, competing for attention with siblings who are older and brighter than she is.

And yes, she probably needs to have a tighter routine, especially nearing the end of the summer term, when all children are knackered. Galivanting round a supermarket at 9pm on a Friday night probably isn't it.
Probably less activities in general, and more 1 on 1 time would probably do her a lot of good.

And also, perhaps I'm old school, but rude, badly behaved little kids, who are failing at school, don't get to go off and compete on ponies multiple times a month. I imagine that's very expensive. Put that money into school support and/or therapies of some sort.

SheridansPortSalut · 28/06/2025 12:04

You're sure that she has learning difficulties. That needs to be the basis of how you handle her. Regular 'punishments' won't work. Do some reading on parenting strategies for whatever you think her issue is. You can reassess after she has been through the diagnostic process.

Interested in this thread?

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GiddyCrab · 28/06/2025 12:05

You are not her friend, you are her parent.
Strict boundaries and early bedtimes.
Shopping at 9pm with a trolley was ridiculous.
Teach her NO means No. If she sulks send her to her room until she apologises and means it.
Let the small stuff go but come down hard on the big stuff. If she hits people with sticks she can be reported to the police for assault in one year from now.
When she is calm talk and explain as much as you can.
Heap on praise and reward good behaviour.
Get school on board.

Elsvieta · 28/06/2025 12:06

OhShutUpThomas · 28/06/2025 09:02

Yes I think I got it wrong. Should I try and let her earn it back? It’s tomorrow.

Let her earn it back when she doesn't even understand or accept why she lost it? That's the worst thing you could possibly do. If you back down now you've just given her a very clear lesson in what she needs to do to avoid any consequences for bad behaviour, ever.

OhShutUpThomas · 28/06/2025 12:07

JFDIYOLO · 28/06/2025 11:33

Your poor children.

A father who suffered an abusive childhood, then completely checks out from parenting, after their mother has a breakdown.

Has your husband had counselling to recover from his childhood?

Have you had support to recover from your own breakdown?

Are you seeking couples counselling for your relationship?

Are you both seeking parenting training?

Likely learning difficulties / neurodivergence in the mix - this doesn't come out of the blue; it's genetic.

Have you both looked into the possibility you may both also be ND?

What's happening re your child's assessment, and how are the school helping and supporting you all?

The problem isn't your daughter, her behaviour or how to punish her.

If you plant a seed in a bed of damaged soil the plant can't be expected to thrive.

You're looking in the wrong place. It's not the kids who need sorting out. It's you two. Get some therapy under way.

Edited

Thank you, that is so helpful.
NAAAT 🙄

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Ramblethroughthebrambles · 28/06/2025 12:09

Considering what you've all been through over the past year, I think you're doing pretty well. There's some great advice on this thread but don't beat yourself up for the way you've already done things. Most of us took years to gradually find our way as parents and if your tried and tested strategies don't work with the 3rd DC, it's a steep learning curve, particularly when you're making all these day-to-day decisions about parenting responses on your own.

It sounds as if you might be in Scotland and in some areas they still offer 'The Incredible Years' group parenting program. Perhaps Google to check? I accessed this via health visitors but there's a version for parents of 7-12 year olds. I found it really helpful for good advice and support and also a space to reflect.

I wouldn't gauge the 'success' of discipline by whether your DD seems to get that it's fair. Keep plodding along being consistent but loving and setting her up for as much success as possible. I'd have a think for the future though about more proportionate consequences so you are preprepared. The aim is for her to learn that you mean what you say, but also for her to learn how to moderate her behaviour to achieve positive outcomes, and that you are safe, predictable and have her back.

Normally I'm not a fan of backing down in stated consequences. However, given how much this competition means to her, if it's tomorrow I would offer a chance to earn it back but only with a calm but serious talk first and a job for her to do today that takes some effort on her part.

My son has always been borderline ND, found it hard to deal with criticism and at a similar age to your DD was obsessed with whether the world was treating him fairly and couldn't see beyond his own POV very easily. He could be quite resistant to any disciplinary consequences as he was angry that his desires were not dominating our thinking. However he is now a lovely, kind young man, even if he still needs a bit of a nudge in some directions.

Needlenardlenoo · 28/06/2025 12:11

Your "sweet and kind" child could be deliberately winding up her sibling when you're not in earshot. It happens!

OhShutUpThomas · 28/06/2025 12:16

Thank you so much for all the replies that have been supportive and shown kindness, even if they have given much to think about. I am reading them all and I appreciate it so much.
The snarky, blaming ones…not so much. But whatever makes you feel good I suppose.

To answer a few points:

see your GP

I’ve had extensive counselling during the breakdown through work. It changed and saved my life. My previous experiences with counselling had been awful, but the lady who helped me through my breakdown was amazing, and I owe her so much.
I can’t access that counselling any more and I’d be reluctant to start again with a new person. Iam so much better though.

Also your difficult marriage is clearly impacting on her despite what you think!

I don’t think it isn’t - but what can I do? Really, in the real world - not mumsnet.

My H is a damaged person. He is trying, and most people think he’s fine, but after his own experiences of family life, he just can’t do it. He swoops in most weekends then leaves again. He loves the kids but can’t show affection. The break from his family ha exacerbated this 100%. If I’d known all this before I married him, maybe I wouldn’t have chosen him as my child’s father. But I didn’t. It’s very sad for all concerned.
If I divorce him, he’ll probably be sucked in by his family who will then have my children when he does. Currently I do not allow contact.
We will also lose our house and probably not afford the kids current lifestyle.

So at the moment they have a father, nice lifestyle, nice house. Father emotionally unavailable and stressed mother doing it all alone.
If I get divorced, they’ll have broken home, much less nice things, have to move again, see their abusive grandparents. And an emotionally unavailable father and stressed mother doing it all alone.

It really is not as easy as just LTB.

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Nearly50omg · 28/06/2025 12:25

She sounds exactly like my son at that age and he has autism and adhd. You have to be EXTRA firm and don’t allow ANY of this behavior to just be ignored or got away with. Break things down into short precise sentences that are precise and to the point. Have a watch of Tony Attwood on YouTube about autism in girls. Puberty and autism end up with horrendous behavior and the more you let them get away with little things the more they will push and push and behavior gets worse.
id highly recommend going to be taught mindfulness for you to learn how to not react with anything other than calm firmness - VERY hard and takes a long time to perfect!

The more you can stop letting her getting away with all the small stuff then the less long term the major stuff happens. Don’t let her get the better of you and don’t take any shit off her.

my son is now in his 20’s and everyone says what a lovely young man he is and what beautiful manners he has 🥰 Long term all that hard work was worth it. And I didn’t have his dad involved in any of this? I parented alone and had other siblings also with asd and adhd so it was like herding cats some days!

Ketzele · 28/06/2025 12:34

OP, I related to a lot of your post and am so sorry for what you have been going through. You and your children have been through a traumatic time (your breakdown) and it will have affected you all. I wonder if you are trying to 'get back to normal' too quickly without acknowledging the impact?

First on yourself: you're rebuilding your mental health while managing three kids, a deadbeat dh and a move to the other end of the country. You need support - are you getting any therapeutic help?

Secondly, your children. It must have been very scary for them while you were having a breakdown because you are their stability and their world. It's not unusual to have one child act this out, while the others keep up a veneer that all is fine. It's not fine - I'm not saying this to guilt-trip you (I have been there), though I'd like to have a word with your bloody husband...

Then there are your dd's own difficulties and needs. It does sound to me that you may be in some denial about what these mean for her and how she might need to be parented. Again, from experience I understand the feeling of 'won't somebody fix this kid' that comes before acceptance that they are who they are and it's your expectations, assumptions and parenting style that needs to shift.

She needs therapeutic parenting; what worked for her siblings may not work for her. And actually all of you may benefit from an understanding that you need healing time. This may mean differential parenting, being judged by outsiders for being 'soft', accepting low academic achievement.

At my therapeutic parenting training they taught us that keeping the connection with your child is the most important thing. That doesn't mean not having any discipline or consequences. But an emotionally dysregulated child is not even hearing what you're saying, they just react to the threats and loss of love. Keep connected and calm in the moment; save the discussion for later; keep consequences natural and as close to the action as you can.

TheignT · 28/06/2025 12:36

TheignT · 28/06/2025 11:55

I think you probably do have an exceptionally easy child. I did with number one, he slept 12 or 13 hours a night, would eat anything and I never needed to move an ornament as he never touched anything he wasn't supposed to. Then I had number two who was a fussy eater, hardly slept and would wreck the house if not watched. One thing they both did was swim like fish from an early age. Then I had number three, lovely child but very fussy eater and swam like a brick, took years for them to learn to swim. Need I go on?

It is easy to think you have cracked it because something worked with your child but the more you have the more you learn.

Sorry that was to Mumteedum

TheLemonLemur · 28/06/2025 12:45

I think you have coped amazingly with all you have been through. However you cannot ignore everything that has gone on has affected this little girl. Your marriage, a poorly mum, absent dad, house move, a pandemic, being kept behind at school, having 'perfect behaved' older siblings. If I had been through half that at 8 my behaviour would be awful! Sounds like they all need a strict routine, 1 to 1 attention to stop all the competition. What are school doing has there been a CAHMS referral?
Also it sounds like there's alot of talking/explaining when there's an issue. I'd stop this if there's potential nd issues simple language, short explanations are best -repeating the same message over and over won't get it through and just makes everyone frustrated.

BertieBotts · 28/06/2025 12:45

I have done a lot of reading.

In theory:-

Punishment isn't very effective on its own anyway. We tend to think it is effective because it feels rewarding (the sense of "justice" is apparently very reinforcing to the person who has been wronged and those who sympathise with them) but in actual fact, what changes behaviour over time is development of the positive opposite replacement behaviour, aka skills, whether that's emotional regulation, social communication, academic skills, whatever it is. 99% of the time when we feel that punishment has "worked" to change a behaviour we are seeing the effects of the skill-building or replacement behaviour side.

Some skill development will happen naturally over time as a child matures and their brain develops and they gain more experience/practice of the situation and try different ways of handling it and perhaps get rewarded/encouraged for the socially accepted behaviour. For example, most children learn to walk as they develop the strength and coordination to do so, without being explicitly taught because walking in itself is inherently rewarding in that it affords them more freedom/mobility.

Some children need more targeted support due to SEN or other difficulties and/or learned survival/coping behaviours which are serving them badly. In order to target support, you need to identify the positive opposite replacement behaviour, which might involve working out what they are getting from the current unwanted behaviour, break it down into steps from where you are now to where you want to be if necessary, and then work on scaffolding (supporting) them in having successful experiences demonstrating that behaviour/skill, which might include changing the environment, better prompting (e.g. avoiding "Stop/Don't" instructions, reminding of specific expectations rather than a vague "be good") and/or a lot of reinforcement (rewards, praise, encouragement) to mark any movement towards the preferred behaviour. This is the most effective way to change a behaviour or develop a skill. Punishment doesn't really contribute much to this, just as we know that punishment doesn't help somebody learn to read or do maths calculations better. The effectiveness of punishment doesn't scale with the severity, so if you must use it, something mild is the best balance between effectiveness and downsides.

If a behaviour intervention isn't working to help change the behaviour then the most effective approach is not to adjust the reward/punishment but to look at the gap between the current behaviour and the expected/positive opposite behaviour and reduce the gap by adding a stepping stone or if there have already been steps broken down, look at making the steps smaller. This may involve looking more closely at the typical process of development of the skill you are trying to improve, as we do in learning support - for example, a child who struggles with handwriting may need more fine motor skills practice. But this kind of approach can work in a lot of behaviour type situations as well. For example, a child who hits we might have the expectation that they use language to resolve a conflict instead. But before somebody can use language to resolve a conflict, they need two underlying skillsets: They must be able to speak clearly so that others can understand them (so speech therapy may help) AND they need to be able to understand and predict social behaviour.

Also, it's important to understand that stress, including physical stressors such as tiredness, hunger, discomfort, and what they call a "hot" emotional state (ie, agitated due to any kind of emotion) affects the executive functions which is the part of the brain in humans which allows us to self-monitor and direct behaviour towards a future outcome or wider goal. (This is in development throughout the whole of childhood through adolescence). So if a child is sometimes able to do something the "right way" but when they are anxious, excited, or need the toilet it seems like those abilities go out of the window you might be seeing this in effect.

In that case it can help to either take that into account when you are looking at behaviour expectations - we do this naturally e.g. most people would expect a bit less of DC or let more things go when they are tired.

Or if it's a chronic problem which seems to be leading to frequent or intense behaviours then you might incorporate this into the "look at the environment" step. Can any of the stressors be reduced or removed? Are there cognitive or other developmental aspects they are struggling with - e.g. can they actually keep a multi-step instruction in mind or could this be given to them step by step? If this child has sensory needs, are they being addressed? Sometimes a "sensory diet" can help a child come from a "hot" state into a "cooler" executive function state. If this child is struggling with emotional self-regulation, do they have access to a self-regulated, trusted adult to co-regulate with? If they have ADHD and therefore their executive functions are not communicating well with the rest of their brain would medication be appropriate? Do they need glasses, is their hearing OK? Are there sources of pain or discomfort such as dietary intolerance, vitamin deficiency or muscle weakness?

In practice:- (My DS nearly 7 is similar).

Aaaaaaaaaaaargh WTF, I don't know, it's so so hard. I have all this knowledge but it feels impossible to follow all of it day to day. Progress is slow. You feel like you get somewhere with one scenario/issue but the others haven't even moved the needle or a new one appears out of seemingly nowhere. It can take several days to find a calm enough point to try to speak to yout child about a behaviour by which point it feels pointless because they have probably forgotten about it totally. No idea how to navigate the fact he doesn't seem to understand the typical social concepts like someone being cross or upset and frequently sees no issue with the way he has behaved. Professional help is baffling because they tell you things like "Yes your child has ADHD. Make sure they have structure at home!" errrr thanks... I thought we already did but no, let's read loads more and talk to other parents and try to figure out what exactly is meant by "structure" in this context and what might be helpful. Some things help, some seem to make no difference at all and some seem to increase stress and therefore stress behaviours. I do have a light at the end of the tunnel, in that my older son was similar, I had no diagnosis or context and barely any of this knowledge, did 90% of everything wrong, the 10% I did get right (I think) was trying to be compassionate and understanding, and he did grow up and out of it anyway.

Occupational Therapy seems to be helping, if you have access to that at all. Some things I have tried to teach/explain to him in the context of skill building he has not been receptive to until his OT brought it up. ChatGPT is a surprising win in terms of - when I want to know what skill is underlying a particular behaviour expectation I have, I have asked here and it usually seems to give me the right term, which I would never have found by googling, but when searching in reverse and cross referencing, has always been correct so far. Then it can suggest activities to practice and develop that skill, which is extremely helpful, though again slow progress. And if it's a load of rubbish, then at least it's positive fun new ideas for playtime together.

The book Big Baffling Behaviours helped. The Ross Greene Collaborative Problem Solving framework kind of helps - tricky to do directly with child, but I have still taken a lot of useful ideas from it. Mona Delahooke helped. Declarative Language can help, when I'm not in a rage about it being such an annoying concept Grin Getting my own ADHD recognised and treated and as a result having a much calmer and more functional household helped.

Breaks for the parent absorbing the majority of the dysregulation are an ABSOLUTE NECESSITY. A group of parents (online or IRL) going through anything even close who you can swap memes and exhausted jokes with helps. A few people who see the positives in your child are invaluable because a lot won't see it.

And apparently the compassion and trying is important even if you get everything else wrong. So hang in there Flowers

Mumteedum · 28/06/2025 12:46

@TheignT He is autistic and certainly not easy but all children are different, of course . I'd say he's been quite high needs and certainly was as a baby. But I think home environment has been helpful. Just me and him, and it's calm and easy.

Gogreengoblin · 28/06/2025 12:48

Dr. Chelsey parenting on Instagram will be useful for your situation.
https://www.instagram.com/drchelsey_parenting?igsh=MTk2aXhsNTBjaHo3Zw==

She's brilliant for kids in general and neurodivergent in particular.

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/accounts/login/?next=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fdrchelsey_parenting%2F%3Figsh%3DMTk2aXhsNTBjaHo3Zw%253D%253D&is_from_rle

RedToothBrush · 28/06/2025 12:52

OhShutUpThomas · 28/06/2025 08:51

Thank you. This is really helpful.
The trouble is that the other children then think I’m showing favouritism towards her and letting her get away with everything.

If I told DD8 she could have her own trolley, then DD10 would want HER own trolley, and DS would want the main trolley, and how do you navigate that?

By parenting

DD10 should be old enough to explain the whys on this. Your 10 year old could have different duties such as getting certain things on her own and you frame it as each child gets to do those things when they reach a certain milestone (age or behaviour wise). This sets goals and expectations. And teaches that responsibility earns reward.

These are good strategies.

You are not explaining your actions properly to any of your children. Your child needs clear boundaries and maaaging. You could use various management strategies but it seems there is always some reason you can't.

You aren't trying to do the same thing for all three children. You are trying to do the best thing by each child.

IncessantNameChanger · 28/06/2025 12:54

My kids have SEN. There no point in any conversation when they are mad. Everyone is different and I don't belive in gentle parenting. My dd is a volatile girl with asd and pda traits ( not pda mind). I see my duty to raise her to a functioning adult who won't get arrested.

If a argument starts I just say I'm not talking as your getting angry. Then if it carry on - a simple we are not talking any more. Being consistent as they know the conversation is done. Like the fire triangle. You cut off the oxygen.

Like with the trolly. No one pushes it but you. There's no argument that's the rule and explain why. Not when they are mad. When your a home and they are calm and with a snack.

Mine coped better knowing where they stood. I don't punish them actually. I don't shout or withdraw things. But I do not engage on arguments.

I don't reward bad behavior with attention and that to me most definitely isn't gentle parenting. When they are calm we gave very explicit plain conversations. Eg to dd whrn x shouts in class how do you feel? She tells me..right that's how your class feel when you shout. Do you want to go to a school for shouty kids? No? Then things need to change as that is where school want you go. For you to leave and not come back. Spell it out. She doesn't get the obvious like other kids. Things need explicitly explaining

There's no single magic way to handle it and I learnt what worked for us as we go

TheignT · 28/06/2025 12:57

Mumteedum · 28/06/2025 12:46

@TheignT He is autistic and certainly not easy but all children are different, of course . I'd say he's been quite high needs and certainly was as a baby. But I think home environment has been helpful. Just me and him, and it's calm and easy.

Obviously something's can be helpful and some the opposite but the point is your method might have been totally ineffective with another child. Just like it was pointless me treating no 2 like no 1 as I'd have had lots of broken stuff so had to change.

Fair enough to say this worked with my child but you have to accept that is all it is.

gottabereallyhonest · 28/06/2025 12:58

OhShutUpThomas · 28/06/2025 08:48

She asked yesterday if her friend could come round. I rang the mother who said that sadly she was busy and we should rearrange. Also we have family visiting.

I identify with a lot of what you are saying about your daughter - this all sounds so much like my childhood. I cannot understand why you took her shopping so late in the day, and I am sensing from your post you knew there was likely to be a who-har about the trolley, so why didn't you work it all out with the children beforehand?

This line also stands out:* *

she was busy and we should rearrange. Also we have family visiting.

Even as an adult, my brain cannot deal with this - there can only be one reason why her friend cannot come over, and that's because she is busy. You having the family visiting is entirely incidental, because if it was a reason for the friend not coming over then you wouldn't have contacted her mother to ask in the first place.

I accept you may not have told this to your daughter, but if you are inclined to offer multiple and confusing explanations to her, it's not a surprise that she can't cope. I live with someone who often gives multiple reasons for something, despite there only being one reason, and it never adds up. It's a real head fuck.

Mumofoneandone · 28/06/2025 13:06

Please get hold of a copy of there's still no such thing as naughty by Kate Silverstone - she's also on line, things like Instagram.
Absolutely brilliant book - explaining what's happening with children and how to manage situations. Find it invaluable for supporting my youngsters.

Mumteedum · 28/06/2025 13:07

Mumteedum · 28/06/2025 12:46

@TheignT He is autistic and certainly not easy but all children are different, of course . I'd say he's been quite high needs and certainly was as a baby. But I think home environment has been helpful. Just me and him, and it's calm and easy.

@TheignT Sorry...I'm probably not being too clear in the point I was trying to make.

I'm not meaning to be smug or say I have it all sussed.

I suppose I was thinking about the fact I don't do punishment and haven't had to and why that is.

And was also thinking about our home and level of activity.

Because he's autistic, DS has always needed a lot of downtime doing not a lot. School burns him out. He likes time to himself to help regulate.

If he is overwhelmed, then that's what we do. He has alone time to calm down and we talk it through calmly later.

It is obviously quite different with three children, but I'd say there's obviously some unmet needs going on. I think @OhShutUpThomas obviously has unmet needs too as she's coping with a difficult marriage too.

People seem to feel like kids need constant activities and entertainment these days.ni think maybe doing less can be a good thing.

I also think DS has traits of PDA and I'm trying hard to understand this and work out how to not trigger him.

When I say it's easy... I mean it's easy going and simple at home. It's certainly not easy lone parenting an autistic child.

Perhaps some calm conversations can be had about how ops daughter is feeling, when she is calm. Most of us need to do better at active listening and being open to this.

Mumteedum · 28/06/2025 13:10

TheignT · 28/06/2025 12:57

Obviously something's can be helpful and some the opposite but the point is your method might have been totally ineffective with another child. Just like it was pointless me treating no 2 like no 1 as I'd have had lots of broken stuff so had to change.

Fair enough to say this worked with my child but you have to accept that is all it is.

I do accept that one way doesn't always work for all children, of course. Was just offering my own reflection and perspective. @TheignT As we all are.

gottabereallyhonest · 28/06/2025 13:10

RedToothBrush · 28/06/2025 12:52

By parenting

DD10 should be old enough to explain the whys on this. Your 10 year old could have different duties such as getting certain things on her own and you frame it as each child gets to do those things when they reach a certain milestone (age or behaviour wise). This sets goals and expectations. And teaches that responsibility earns reward.

These are good strategies.

You are not explaining your actions properly to any of your children. Your child needs clear boundaries and maaaging. You could use various management strategies but it seems there is always some reason you can't.

You aren't trying to do the same thing for all three children. You are trying to do the best thing by each child.

You are not explaining your actions properly to any of your children. Your child needs clear boundaries and maaaging. You could use various management strategies but it seems there is always some reason you can't.

This was such a joy to read, as it sums up some of the problems I had with my mother. Her explanations were thin on the ground, inconsistent, and I realise now a lot of her thinking was dynamic and not planned far enough ahead for it to be useful. Indeed, it caused a lot of disruption. I was an adult long before I realised she genuinely though that everyone knew what she was thinking, which would explain her anger when it transpired people had no idea what she was saying or doing.

The inconsistency was the biggest head-fuck of all though - being given multiple reasons for something but not knowing which (if anything) was true, and then having it denied at a later date, or else the same situation occurring and her explanation / reaction being totally different again.

My mother also had a strong "why should I?" attitude towards me as well, so the idea that my sister and I might have a trolley each would have sent her into a meltdown - she seemed to have no concept that children like to do things (such as pushing trolleys) and I would very much have been told off and to stop being stupid...even if that situation had occurred many times before, there's no way she would have planned for it and sought a solution.

When I look back, there were so many thing my mother dragged me along to (most notably shopping trips and weddings) and I hated them all so very much. I do not know why I couldn't have been sent to my grandparents house, where I loved it. She also had this strong urge to do "normal" things and be a "normal" family, which - so far as she could see - mean everyone going everywhere together and looking like they wanted to be there. It was a complete fantasy on her part, with no awareness that other families were going through the same shit just to keep up appearances.

adviceneeded1990 · 28/06/2025 13:11

She has a checked out father, a learning disability, a mother who prefers her sister and recently underwent a huge move. Her little brain is scrambled, I’d be unhappy and kicking off too! Some 1:1 time, strong consideration about how she must feel about herself right now and some play therapy would be my idea!