Taxes to rise to fund PIP

[Viviennemary]

I just read this, Don't agree with this at all. PIP needs to be reformed. But not by introducing this two tier system. Sick of Labour already. Might have know they would revert to type. With all the infighting and disagreement so nothing ever gets done except back peddling, increased taxes and prices rises.

Labour tried to cut back on welfare and you’re looking to the press?

It’s their backbenchers causing the u turn.

I think pensioners should pay NI contributions. There a lot of pensioners on high incomes. And working people pay tax on just over £12k. People are raking in multiple times that amount in benefits and not a penny tax paid. State Pensions are taxed but not PIP. The whole system is crazy.

I never said that - don't know where you got that from but feel free to find and qoute and you will see it's not my username.

Yes, if you think you can justify not paying it to a new claimant, why would you then pay it to an existing claimant who has the same points? Surely if you think you’re fine not paying the new claimant, the money on the existing claimant is unnecessary and being wasted. And if it’s not unnecessary and being wasted, surely the new claimant needs it.

@Viviennemary

Well it shouldn't be incredibly difficult to get PIP if you suffer from a genuine disability. Not because you find the thought of work too stressful.

How many times do you need to be told PIP is NOT AN OUT OF WORK BENEFIT? People don’t choose PIP over work.

The money is going to the wrong people. If they stopped getting it there would be more for other seriously disabled people.

Do you really think that’s how it works?

If you want to keep bashing disabled people at the very least try to base it on fact…

An annual wealth tax on people with assets worth more than £10 million would raise £24 billion a year, which would more than cover the cost of the U turn on PIP.

Rachel Reeves repeatedly ruled this out before the last GE, but maybe if she's fired the next Chancellor will have the balls to bring in this policy.

A man I was dating last year applied for PIP.

He is on universal credit as a job seeker and pretends to look for a job, he's said they have given up on him as he's worked out how to play the system.

He decided to apply for PIP off the back of an illness 10 years ago which was pituitary gland related. He's discovered that the PIP system lists this as brain tumour. He's 100 percent fine, takes one pill a day for it and his hobbies are surfing and weights and HIT classes. I literally went surfing with him many times.

He's well spoken and a good schmoozer and used AI to answer the questions. He laughed about his PIP call with the assessor as he charmed her around his little finger with ease and got the money.

He turned up boasting about it and his disability parking badge for his car, the one with surfboard roof clips. He was indignant that he didn't get the higher rate to spend on anew car.

I'm afraid that gave me the giant ICK and he was dumped. I had been paying for our social life on the assumption he was actually trying to get back into a job but this is what he did instead.

He can afford not to work now as he's got UC and PIP and is subletting a room in his housing benefit paid for housing association flat..

He goes to the gym and plays tennis five days a week. But his claim is for needing assistance to cook and walk about.

He's a west Indian immigrant.

So a lot of us know about people like this.

We know it's being scammed because we know the scammers sadly.

They would leave. Record numbers of millionaires are leaving.
Jo Malone now lives in Dubai!

I'm making a comment on a MN thread and simply stating a fact that some people don't like to accept.
I never said I was outraged I said it annoys me.
WTF would writing to my MP do? Yes I am pissed off pay 40%+ effective tax rate as are lots of people. Do I think people should get benefits including PIP is they need it - Yes. Do I think the tax I pay get used well - No!

Only 17% of PIP claimants are in work. You are the one who needs to check facts rather than trotting out the same tired old stuff.

It won't be every 10 years. It'll happen once and then quietly get scrapped with the politicians hoping everyone has forgotten. No government can commit future governments to do something. It really IS a one off if it ever happened, which it won't.

Sounds a real catch

Exactly. Where’s the outrage towards these tax evaders?

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/publishing-details-of-deliberate-tax-defaulters-pddd/current-list-of-deliberate-tax-defaulters

Oh, they understand them alright ...

Most people we import are on the benefits bill anyway

Unless you take away their passports, they'll just move abroad and then the UK gets nothing from them. We're already seeing an acceleration in "rich" people leaving the UK after the non-dom rule changes.

Up to when the pandemic hit, video and phone assessments were only used where the assessor had enough evidence on paper to make a decision but just needed to check anything that needed clarification. After the pandemic they became the norm, but the focus is now on reinstating face to face assessments for most claimants - including at the review stage. Many paper based assessments are carried out still, but these tend to be for claimants who are able to demonstrate the level of disability on paper, backed up with robust medical evidence.

The DWP still stress that the more information you can give on paper, including a clear idea of what aspects of your disability affect your daily life - how and why - along with up to date and clear supporting evidence, the less likely it is you will have to undergo a face to face assessment. It’s all about the assessor having enough information on which to base their decision, and it doesn’t always need a physical presence from the claimant if the assessor has all the information on paper that they would need to gather from observing the claimant themselves.

Learned my lesson there.

Everyone said they wanted to pay more tax, it was fairer they said. Where are all of those who wanted to pay more? What have they to say? Hopefully they’ve all got nice deep pockets. I think everyone should pay more tax to fix schools, I think benefits want capping.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk./news/2025/06/21/asylum-seekers-allowed-stay-uk-high-blood-pressure/

This might boil some people's blood. Others might think this is the right thing to do.
But we are skint and this IMO opens us up to everyone sick from almost anywhere coming here and costing us a lot of money.

Well, HMRC could start to deal with the black economy that costs several billion per year in unpaid tax, i.e. "cash in hand" workers, small business VAT evasion, money laundering, modern slavery, etc. with the benefit fraud and CMS evasion that sits alongside it.

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They certainly do. You only have to look at the way out of work sickness benefits were conflated with in work disability benefits to realise they know exactly the effect it will have on the public and if done in the right way, will make it easier to get the cuts through.

So how would you design a system that supports those who need it? How much tax should we be paying?

I'm going to need a detailed breakdown of VAT, income tax, NI, corporation tax, Employers' NI, corporation tax credits, pensioners' payments, tax-free savings, Stamp Duty, Inheritance Tax, Bank of England interest rates and how they mean that the government pays billions in interest on the capital receipts that banks must hold but can't spend, spending cuts, in particular on the NHS, social care, how we should pay for local government fairly across the regions and nations, remember that Scotland raises its own tax, the potential of a tourist tax in London, Wales and Cornwall, should that be levied across the country? And a detailed showing of your working.

I have definitely missed other ways of collecting revenue, like import duty and tax paid on buying and selling shares, bonds and gilts, plus levies on migrant workers to pay for the NHS, and taxes paid by employers to hire migrants.

It's complicated. Raising tax doesn't always mean directly on taxpayers. And frankly employers and companies pay peanuts in tax, particularly when they benefit from making staff redundant but don't shoulder the burden of paying for their unemployment and sickness benefits.

So enough with the glib statements unless you can demonstrate a better way.

The Tories squandered billions during the pandemic and their decade of austerity killed productivity and therefore tax receipts after the banking crash.

This is a big mess that Labour is trying to fix, and round about the time Britain becomes prosperous again, the voters will have forgotten and will vote the Tories back in, who will ruin the economy all over again.

No-one else is going to make it better. This is what we've got. Count yourself lucky.

Have you considered why that might be? You talk as if it’s a choice between PIP or a job, it’s not.