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Taxes to rise to fund PIP

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Viviennemary · 27/06/2025 11:20

I just read this, Don't agree with this at all. PIP needs to be reformed. But not by introducing this two tier system. Sick of Labour already. Might have know they would revert to type. With all the infighting and disagreement so nothing ever gets done except back peddling, increased taxes and prices rises.

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Kulwinder54 · 27/06/2025 13:44

It is mathematically unsustainable, so something painful has to be done. Better it;s sooner rather than later (i.e. economic collapse). There is NO alternative. You can't keep taxing businesses and you can't keep importing people, it just makes the problem worse.

If I were on any kind of benefits right now I'd be making plans to save as much money as possible and get an income sharpish.

deadpantrashcan · 27/06/2025 13:44

Iloveshoes123 · 27/06/2025 13:37

I'm making a comment on a MN thread and simply stating a fact that some people don't like to accept.
I never said I was outraged I said it annoys me.
WTF would writing to my MP do? Yes I am pissed off pay 40%+ effective tax rate as are lots of people. Do I think people should get benefits including PIP is they need it - Yes. Do I think the tax I pay get used well - No!

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The tax we pay absolutely does not get used well. Just think the outrage is misdirected. But the papers have achieved what they wanted with their constant distraction tactics. Yawn.

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Bromptotoo · 27/06/2025 13:45

No argument with the idea that PIP beds reform but the way Labour set about it was criminal.

Julen7 · 27/06/2025 13:45

Kulwinder54 · 27/06/2025 13:44

It is mathematically unsustainable, so something painful has to be done. Better it;s sooner rather than later (i.e. economic collapse). There is NO alternative. You can't keep taxing businesses and you can't keep importing people, it just makes the problem worse.

If I were on any kind of benefits right now I'd be making plans to save as much money as possible and get an income sharpish.

Agree

deadpantrashcan · 27/06/2025 13:45

Kulwinder54 · 27/06/2025 13:44

It is mathematically unsustainable, so something painful has to be done. Better it;s sooner rather than later (i.e. economic collapse). There is NO alternative. You can't keep taxing businesses and you can't keep importing people, it just makes the problem worse.

If I were on any kind of benefits right now I'd be making plans to save as much money as possible and get an income sharpish.

So do you think all “people on benefits” just chose not to have an income? And that they are all able to just save their millions? Deluded

Rosscameasdoody · 27/06/2025 13:47

Viviennemary · 27/06/2025 13:37

Only 17% of PIP claimants are in work. You are the one who needs to check facts rather than trotting out the same tired old stuff.

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And this proves what, given that as numerous posters have pointed out, PIP is not an out of work benefit ? It’s universal and can be paid regardless of whether you are in work or not. PIP doesn’t assess the ability to work - it’s purely an indicator of the extra costs you incur as a result of disability. Not sure of the point you’re making here.

Willyoujustbequiet · 27/06/2025 13:47

UnpopularOpinion212 · 27/06/2025 11:36

I would stop PIP for all anxiety-related issues after 6 months, unless due to physical aggression / PTSD.

Quite an apt username lol

Where would that leave people with neurodevelopmental disorders that are lifelong that suffer from crippling anxiety?

Cure for autism after 6 months?

caringcarer · 27/06/2025 13:47

Julen7 · 27/06/2025 13:39

Sounds a real catch

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My DH had a brain tumour and due to loss of sight and memory issues he applied for PIP and didn't get it partly because he was still working I think. Then he had brain tumour removed and took some time to get over operation that removed tumour from going in through his nose and reapplied and still didn't get it. He's since got it for a fractured spine and partial knee replacement after a bad accident and struggling with mobility. I don't know how your ex could get it.

Midnightlove · 27/06/2025 13:48

KateMiskin · 27/06/2025 11:39

In my sector, a ton of high taxpayers are fleeing to countries where they will be appreciated.

Absolutely, we are considering this too. Even more so if tax is increased

iSiLwUibfeb · 27/06/2025 13:48

@KateMiskin the £24bn figure raised takes into account that some people would leave. It's still a good policy.

I'm not sure what the fact that Jo Malone lives in Dubai has to do with anything?

Kulwinder54 · 27/06/2025 13:49

deadpantrashcan · 27/06/2025 13:45

So do you think all “people on benefits” just chose not to have an income? And that they are all able to just save their millions? Deluded

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no, YOU are deluded. This is not a moral problem but a mathematical one. There is no money. Even if the government stopped all funding to Ukraine, defence etc, the country is facing a public spending timebomb. There more and more older and sicker people and not enough young people working and being productive, ie setting up businesses and producing good and services.

I'm recommending people on benefits to get a source of income, not saying get out of the house and get a job. They will have no idea when then money could just STOP.

Rosscameasdoody · 27/06/2025 13:49

Willyoujustbequiet · 27/06/2025 13:47

Quite an apt username lol

Where would that leave people with neurodevelopmental disorders that are lifelong that suffer from crippling anxiety?

Cure for autism after 6 months?

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Another poster who thinks that if you stop support the need for that support magically disappears.

LadyKenya · 27/06/2025 13:49

Cornishpotato · 27/06/2025 13:36

A man I was dating last year applied for PIP.

He is on universal credit as a job seeker and pretends to look for a job, he's said they have given up on him as he's worked out how to play the system.

He decided to apply for PIP off the back of an illness 10 years ago which was pituitary gland related. He's discovered that the PIP system lists this as brain tumour. He's 100 percent fine, takes one pill a day for it and his hobbies are surfing and weights and HIT classes. I literally went surfing with him many times.

He's well spoken and a good schmoozer and used AI to answer the questions. He laughed about his PIP call with the assessor as he charmed her around his little finger with ease and got the money.

He turned up boasting about it and his disability parking badge for his car, the one with surfboard roof clips. He was indignant that he didn't get the higher rate to spend on anew car.

I'm afraid that gave me the giant ICK and he was dumped. I had been paying for our social life on the assumption he was actually trying to get back into a job but this is what he did instead.

He can afford not to work now as he's got UC and PIP and is subletting a room in his housing benefit paid for housing association flat..

He goes to the gym and plays tennis five days a week. But his claim is for needing assistance to cook and walk about.

He's a west Indian immigrant.

So a lot of us know about people like this.

We know it's being scammed because we know the scammers sadly.

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Cool story. It reads like a benefits bingo card. You should become a fiction writer🙄Utter rubbish!

Witchling · 27/06/2025 13:49

UnpopularOpinion212 · 27/06/2025 11:36

I would stop PIP for all anxiety-related issues after 6 months, unless due to physical aggression / PTSD.

Living up to your user name I see

Cornishpotato · 27/06/2025 13:49

Rosscameasdoody · 27/06/2025 13:41

Up to when the pandemic hit, video and phone assessments were only used where the assessor had enough evidence on paper to make a decision but just needed to check anything that needed clarification. After the pandemic they became the norm, but the focus is now on reinstating face to face assessments for most claimants - including at the review stage. Many paper based assessments are carried out still, but these tend to be for claimants who are able to demonstrate the level of disability on paper, backed up with robust medical evidence.

The DWP still stress that the more information you can give on paper, including a clear idea of what aspects of your disability affect your daily life - how and why - along with up to date and clear supporting evidence, the less likely it is you will have to undergo a face to face assessment. It’s all about the assessor having enough information on which to base their decision, and it doesn’t always need a physical presence from the claimant if the assessor has all the information on paper that they would need to gather from observing the claimant themselves.

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Yes, AI can provide all the answers.
As I know from direct experience of an ex partner that is now enjoying the fruit of that technology.

Simply having an illness 10 years ago that requires one pill a day was enough medical records provided he worked out exactly what lies to tell with AI about current impact.

We are in a strange situation where the state industry that is managing this has to be enormous adding huge cost.

So much work now is involved in management and maintenance of non productivity.

Build it and they will come.

alexalisten · 27/06/2025 13:50

Kulwinder54 · 27/06/2025 13:44

It is mathematically unsustainable, so something painful has to be done. Better it;s sooner rather than later (i.e. economic collapse). There is NO alternative. You can't keep taxing businesses and you can't keep importing people, it just makes the problem worse.

If I were on any kind of benefits right now I'd be making plans to save as much money as possible and get an income sharpish.

I have an income but being diasbaled is expensive

Rosscameasdoody · 27/06/2025 13:50

Kulwinder54 · 27/06/2025 13:49

no, YOU are deluded. This is not a moral problem but a mathematical one. There is no money. Even if the government stopped all funding to Ukraine, defence etc, the country is facing a public spending timebomb. There more and more older and sicker people and not enough young people working and being productive, ie setting up businesses and producing good and services.

I'm recommending people on benefits to get a source of income, not saying get out of the house and get a job. They will have no idea when then money could just STOP.

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I'm recommending people on benefits to get a source of income, not saying get out of the house and get a job.

This makes no sense whatsoever. And government cannot just stop paying benefits, the commitment is enshrined in law.

EasternStandard · 27/06/2025 13:51

iSiLwUibfeb · 27/06/2025 13:48

@KateMiskin the £24bn figure raised takes into account that some people would leave. It's still a good policy.

I'm not sure what the fact that Jo Malone lives in Dubai has to do with anything?

If you’re talking about NI not really if it slows the economy and causes shedding from payroll

Have gone back I see you’re talking about a wealth tax?

Twofoursixeight · 27/06/2025 13:51

Iloveshoes123 · 27/06/2025 13:46

Tax Justice Network are not a reliable source of information. They have a specific agenda.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-millionaires-non-dom-tax-rachel-reeves-b2775646.html

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TJN consists of highly qualified academics from institutions like Oxford and LSE. If they have an agenda then maybe it's time to listen to them

Moreover, the figure given by the independent there is similar to that stated by TNJ and would still represent a tiny and insignificant proportion of the UK's millionaires

Miley23 · 27/06/2025 13:51

sonoonetoldyoulifewasgonnabethisway · 27/06/2025 13:02

I paid about £500 tax this month, I don't earn a fortune, i'm struggling to make ends meet, I have diabetes and osteoarthritis among other things and struggle with walking some days due to one of these conditions, I don't qualify for help with anything, pay my own prescriptions, have to park sometimes miles away from a shop and hobble across the car park.

I have no problem with people claiming PIP and benefits when they genuinely qualify. But there are a lot of people out there who get PIP and benefits that could be working and just know how to milk the system - I know quite a few of these people, and they boast about the brand new car they have, their disability badge, and other stuff.

Completely agree. This is the reason I want to leave my job as a benefits advisor.

Fringle · 27/06/2025 13:52

What about people like me?

I sometimes get a touch of the nerves and a vague sense of unease. I was worried that my benefits would stop and I’d be forced back into a job.

iSiLwUibfeb · 27/06/2025 13:52

EasternStandard · 27/06/2025 13:51

If you’re talking about NI not really if it slows the economy and causes shedding from payroll

Have gone back I see you’re talking about a wealth tax?

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I'm talking about a wealth tax.

Iloveshoes123 · 27/06/2025 13:53

Fringle · 27/06/2025 13:52

What about people like me?

I sometimes get a touch of the nerves and a vague sense of unease. I was worried that my benefits would stop and I’d be forced back into a job.

Worry not, labour are here to help 😂

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