Taxes to rise to fund PIP

[Viviennemary]

I just read this, Don't agree with this at all. PIP needs to be reformed. But not by introducing this two tier system. Sick of Labour already. Might have know they would revert to type. With all the infighting and disagreement so nothing ever gets done except back peddling, increased taxes and prices rises.

Who mentioned dyslexia? 🤣 And who said that he told me he made it up? Are you quite alright in the head 🤣

And the word is gullible, not guliable.

If you read the thread you’ll find that the tax payer has minimal input to motability beyond the mobility allowance that would be payable to everyone entitled to the higher rate - around 30% of those who claim PIP and representing the very most severely disabled. So no, by and large, you’re not funding anyone else’s car. You’re funding their mobility allowance, designed to keep them mobile in recognition of the fact that mobility is an important factor in disability. A charity funding a private concern - motabiity - does the rest and has been doing it for over forty years now. Only recently has there been the mean minded opposition we see in posts like yours. The fact that they can hand over that allowance and get a car in return is what irks you. Would you be prepared to take on the disability in order to have the same ? No ? Thought not.

Sorry I got you mixed up with @cumbriaisbest my bad

Some common sense would be a nice start.

Assessors who know what they are talking about
Consistency with assessments
Clearer and less complicated forms
Lifetime awards for those who are clearly never going to improve due to their condition to not waste time or cause any distress

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Yes I understand that. And I don’t doubt that my aunts condition impacts her life. In a perfect world I would have no problem with this additional financial assistance.
However, this is far from a perfect world. We are underfunding education, the NHS, mental health services and so much more. I therefore think that providing this additional help to a wealthy person who could help themselves may need to be reviewed.

It is very different to using a professional.

AI is a tool that will give you the answers you ask for. I posted up thread about my ex partner who is tech savvy enough to use it to get PIP for non existent functioning problems.

This is quite possibly already behind the recent upsurge but there's strenuous objections to the government using AI to analyse claims.

This is end stage socialism. The nations handbag is now a global money tree.

No. Actually it’s your ignorance. PIP claimants can qualify for higher rate mobility allowance on MH grounds alone if the conditions are severe enough. And when they do, they can join motability. I understand that you’re posting in support of those with MH issues, but on this issue you’re wrong.

Yeah.....

I was advised by social workers how to word things on my son's DLA form. I'm really not seeing the difference, especially as you need evidence to back up what is said on the forms.

I don't think the problem is with the assessors. They often complete assessments in good faith and recommend that the claimant gets an award. It then gets passed to people who screen these forms who are basically 'customer service managers' in a call centre type of place who have no medical training who can choose to either accept the assessment, or return it to the healthcare professional and advise them (make them) change their findings and recommendations. I know both HCP's who do these assessments and a customer service person who works on the control side of the assessments.

I said sorry 😢

And if the aunt was ‘perfectly capable’ I doubt she would qualify for the higher rate mobility allowance that gets her the car. Why is it that motability cars stir up so much ill feeling in posters. IRL i’ve never experienced this.

In the end it doesn't really matter if you individually don't see the difference because it's already happening and will grow and the public sector will be outpaced by it.

End stage socialism? Which country are you talking about?

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Do you think pensioners don’t pay tax? Any pensioner who has any income over their state pension will be paying income tax, as well as VAT and council tax.

Oh no you've found my one weakness 🥹

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Not true. The assessors reports go to case managers at DWP and they make the decision on award based on the points scored by the assessor. The case manager mostly relies on the assessors’ report precisely because they have no medical training themselves - they’re not in a position to ‘choose’ whether to accept them or not. When they return reports it’s not because they don’t accept them, it’s because they don’t understand something or need further clarification of certain elements before they award. You’re confusing this with something laughably called ‘quality control’ where independent auditors can take a sample of assessors reports and force assessors to change the points awarded. The auditors don’t have sight of the claimant and don’t know anything about them. It’s random.

PIP isn’t easy to get. I have health conditions/disabilities that mean I can’t work more than I do (currently 40hrs a week) and I have to sleep after work in order to be able to do that because the fatigue is so rough and weekends I spent recovering from my weekly meds (I do them at the weekend not to affect work)
Still not entitled to PIP. Still trying to cling onto a job as I can’t pay my mortgage otherwise but my sickness is an issue

I think it’s purposefully done.