Taxes to rise to fund PIP

[Viviennemary]

I just read this, Don't agree with this at all. PIP needs to be reformed. But not by introducing this two tier system. Sick of Labour already. Might have know they would revert to type. With all the infighting and disagreement so nothing ever gets done except back peddling, increased taxes and prices rises.

This seems at odds with this response from pp

So you don’t think disabled people should go on holiday ? If she has found a way to manage that agoraphobia what business is it of yours ? And PIP would not be awarded on the basis of Agoraphobia alone - it would be considered as part of wider MH problem, which you may or may not be aware of, depending on whether you live with her 24/7, have access and understanding of her medical records, and are privy to all the details of her benefit claim.

All I will say here is that becoming disabled or getting a life long serious health condition can happen to anyone at any time. It did to me out of the blue. Where will the support be for you then?

It might not be there as they are changing the rules for new claimants...

No one begrudges a legitimate case & I know people who should get more help imo but I do know people on high incomes who gets DLA for ADHD etc and imo that's questionable.

We have a decent annual household income (£350k ish) and until recently I was ambivalent about paying up to 60% tax on part of my income. I grew up in a council house and was raised by a single parent so having money will always feel like a novelty, I suspect.

However, the year in which we paid 6 figures to HMRC (not all IT some CGT as well) coincided with my disabled DS having no school place, no reliable access to a pediatrician - no private pediatrics here either - and being told that the wait for NHS ADHD diagnosis would be “at least” 3 years.

It might come from a position of privilege, but paying Waitrose levels of tax for Poundland services does not incentivize anyone to earn more.

Being disabled the same, you also cant do anything fun ever as your to ill to.

My relative is disabled and gets AA. Of course she does fun things!

We need a WAV for our son and we paid a £4.6k deposit. That was one of the cheapest deposits for a WAV.

You lot do realise its only about 30% of people who get high rate pip and some people on pip will be getting less then £100 a month you all seem to think where rolling in it.

Well you did muck up there

Even if it was it's the sons money not hers.

Im on pip and I dont. I work, sleep and go to appointments thats my life i haven't been on holiday or for a nice day out in over 10 years all my annual leave is used on appointments the rest is unpaid

Just got to say that you can also extend the lease up to 7 years.

At least you didn't contribute to this disaster. I did.

They won't, many will get their PIP stopped who simply cannot work. That £300 per month could make all the difference, especially when their limited capacity for work payments also get stopped. Get ready for a spike in homelessness and suicide.

Some will some won't it very much depends on the disability anchor it impacts a person

The problem with this is that means testing is a race to the bottom. Wherever you set the threshold someone will lose out. These benefits are universal for a reason. The cost of disability is universal no matter what your income. And if means testing were introduced for every person like your friend who was rendered ineligible because of significant wealth there would be people who would lose out for the sake of a few pounds. There would also be people who have needs massively higher than your friend who would be forced to go through savings at a rate of knots and render themselves significantly poorer and ill equipped for the future before they would get the help they need.

My mum gets lower rate PIP (and pension credit) but is still able to save thousands every year.

@x2boys i f course but that isn't what I replied to...

if you go out to work until you are 67 you pay NI contributions. Fair enough. So why if you retire in your fifties on a defined benefit pension do you not pay NI until you are 67. That’s rewarding the rich idle. Everyone should pay NI until they are of pension age.

I considered it and then remembered Blair. Tories no way ever again. I went for my local independent. Obviously a wasted vote but the others didn't deserve it.

@Rosscameasdoodydon’t you think this will happen? Why do you support the change?

The lowest rate pip is £29.50 a week i have no idea how much pension credits are.

@alexalisten but not everyone is the same.

Me neither. I suspect a lot of those with anxiety are anxious because they don't have jobs, not the other way round.

I think this fundamentally misunderstands. Lots of peoples conditions remain with them for life but their ability to cope and function can improve or go downhill.

The limbs going back example is an interesting one. I am aware of a case where a double amputee (lost both legs in the 1990s) was receiving enhanced mobility and a ten year award. Previous opinion was that prosthetics would not be suitable. Medicine moved on, he was part of a trial for a new type of prosthetic and it was a success. He learned to walk again. That was picked up at the ten year award review.

I am also aware that we have picked up the fact that people have died at these reviews.

Child benefit is for children but the government had no issue means testing that.

@Vinvertebrate I would make child benefit universal for people like you, it used to be. You need to feel you are getting something out of system you are saying so much into.