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Taxes to rise to fund PIP

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Viviennemary · 27/06/2025 11:20

I just read this, Don't agree with this at all. PIP needs to be reformed. But not by introducing this two tier system. Sick of Labour already. Might have know they would revert to type. With all the infighting and disagreement so nothing ever gets done except back peddling, increased taxes and prices rises.

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Cornishpotato · 27/06/2025 17:01

The increased supply however is generated by Motability

Anyway I will read Oxfam economics to see how they explain it.

justkeepswimingswiming · 27/06/2025 17:03

hooverbob · 27/06/2025 16:58

@nomas of course it is. One of my older relatives gets AA, now legitimately they qualify. Do they need it? House here worth 1.5m, house abroad 500k. I'm not sure...

Attendance allowance should be means tested for sure.

Applesonthelawn · 27/06/2025 17:05

I love my job and would happily continue but the level of taxation makes it not really worth my while. I feel very over taxed, and fair enough if you can see it doing some good, but I genuinely don't look around me and see that. To be honest I see weakness being celebrated. The country just cannot thrive with this mentality - why would anyone bother busting a gut to build a secure financial future for their families when the tax burden is this great? One of our boys has already emigrated and the other plans to, and we'll probably not be far behind.

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Catpuss66 · 27/06/2025 17:05

hooverbob · 27/06/2025 11:27

It's just tax, tax, tax but generally just on workers.

Actually that isn’t correct I get a private pension on which I pay tax

hooverbob · 27/06/2025 17:06

@Kendodd housing has created so many problems. You're correct that more council houses are needed. I don't think it's just the low earners who feel like work doesn't pay anymore though.

One thing frequently overlooked is the frozen tax bands

"In 1991–92 just 3.5% of UK adults paid the 40% higher rate of income tax"

"By 2022–23 11% were paying higher rates, with that figure set to reach 14% by 2027–28. Of that 14%, 3.1% of adults will face marginal tax rates of either 45% or 60%"

"As a result, while in the 1990s essentially no nurses and just 5–6% of teachers paid higher-rate tax, income tax thresholds failing to keep up with average wages means that by 2027–28 more than one in eight nurses and one in four teachers are set to be higher-rate taxpayers."

Another Tory policy which labour kept.

hooverbob · 27/06/2025 17:06

@Catpuss66 what bit of generally confused you?

Bamboozled72 · 27/06/2025 17:07

Applesonthelawn · 27/06/2025 17:05

I love my job and would happily continue but the level of taxation makes it not really worth my while. I feel very over taxed, and fair enough if you can see it doing some good, but I genuinely don't look around me and see that. To be honest I see weakness being celebrated. The country just cannot thrive with this mentality - why would anyone bother busting a gut to build a secure financial future for their families when the tax burden is this great? One of our boys has already emigrated and the other plans to, and we'll probably not be far behind.

100%

Rosscameasdoody · 27/06/2025 17:07

C8H10N4O2 · 27/06/2025 17:00

Do you have one of the basic models? I know at the bottom end this is true but I have colleagues who do a lot of driving hours and need something a bit higher end who have paid hefty deposits.

The insurance has fluctuated I think over the years. I remember one friend deciding against a motability car because she simply couldn’t get insurance as a disabled driver with an adapted car but that was some years ago and I know the system has changed a few times. I know others who do have it covered as part of the current package so that may be just me out of date.

Insurance has always been part of the motability package - not sure whether that’s what you’re referring to. Disabled people have a harder time accessing suitable and affordable insurance outside of the scheme.

x2boys · 27/06/2025 17:07

C8H10N4O2 · 27/06/2025 17:00

Do you have one of the basic models? I know at the bottom end this is true but I have colleagues who do a lot of driving hours and need something a bit higher end who have paid hefty deposits.

The insurance has fluctuated I think over the years. I remember one friend deciding against a motability car because she simply couldn’t get insurance as a disabled driver with an adapted car but that was some years ago and I know the system has changed a few times. I know others who do have it covered as part of the current package so that may be just me out of date.

It depends what you mean by basic ,it's a Peugeot so not a BMW, but all the technology inside is up to date
Also we don't need adaptions,as my son doesn't have physical disabilities,he get HRM under severe mental impairment.

viques · 27/06/2025 17:09

hooverbob · 27/06/2025 16:56

I really do resent the idea that all pensioners are greedy and grasping, in my experience we aren’t, and my personal opinion is that people who make snippy little remarks like “yes, pensioners won’t like it” are revealing more about their own psyche and mindset than perhaps they realise.

Or they just have a firm grip on reality. I find the refusal to acknowledge certain things bizarre.

Acknowledge what things? If you say what they are we will be able to judge if they are bizarre.

Bamboozled72 · 27/06/2025 17:10

Also people just don't seem on the bones of their arses to me. Not saying people should be, but everyone had new cars, eats out regularly, goes down the pub. Genuinely, my husband and I both work but earn too much for any help at all. I cannot afford to do any of this stuff.

Rosscameasdoody · 27/06/2025 17:10

justkeepswimingswiming · 27/06/2025 17:03

Attendance allowance should be means tested for sure.

Means testing attendance allowance would set a precedent on means testing all other disability benefits, which are universal. If you’re a millionaire you can still claim child DLA, PIP or AA. Why single out AA because it’s targeted at pensioners ?

creekyjohn · 27/06/2025 17:11

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 27/06/2025 16:35

It's not "disability". I know a young, fit drug addict who receives PIP!!!

How do you define ‘fit’?, because if someone’s addiction is bad enough for them to receive PIP your assessment of their physical/mental health cannot be correct.

x2boys · 27/06/2025 17:12

Bamboozled72 · 27/06/2025 17:10

Also people just don't seem on the bones of their arses to me. Not saying people should be, but everyone had new cars, eats out regularly, goes down the pub. Genuinely, my husband and I both work but earn too much for any help at all. I cannot afford to do any of this stuff.

Just get yourself a,disability that qualifies than and you too can have all.the perks

hooverbob · 27/06/2025 17:12

@viques I already said it. What's confused you?

Generally pensioners as a whole aren't a fan of paying more tax or having a benefit taken away from them. I don't think it's a radical thing to say but you don't have to agree.

Bamboozled72 · 27/06/2025 17:13

It does feel like a joke when you work 5 days a week and can't afford to do anything fun ever. Luckily I'm not materialistic but it would be nice to go out occasionally.

hooverbob · 27/06/2025 17:13

Means testing attendance allowance would set a precedent on means testing all other disability benefits, which are universal. If you’re a millionaire you can still claim child DLA, PIP or AA. Why single out AA because it’s targeted at pensioners ?

I think they should all be means tested.

alexalisten · 27/06/2025 17:14

Bamboozled72 · 27/06/2025 17:13

It does feel like a joke when you work 5 days a week and can't afford to do anything fun ever. Luckily I'm not materialistic but it would be nice to go out occasionally.

Being disabled the same, you also cant do anything fun ever as your to ill to.

huffdragon · 27/06/2025 17:15

All I will say here is that becoming disabled or getting a life long serious health condition can happen to anyone at any time. It did to me out of the blue. Where will the support be for you then?

Cornishpotato · 27/06/2025 17:16

PandoraSocks · 27/06/2025 16:43

Ah yes, let's just swap scapegoats.

That's a bit of a trite comment isn't it?

It's perfectly reasonable for people to be distressed at an open door approach to people from countries around the world where the state support they get here doesn't exist.

Viviennemary · 27/06/2025 17:16

Bamboozled72 · 27/06/2025 17:07

100%

Fewer and fewer workers and more benefit claiments = financial disaster. It isn't rocket science. Well done Labour. Usual mess. Should have known better than to vote for them.

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Bamboozled72 · 27/06/2025 17:16

I think they should all be means tested too. A friend of mine lives in a 700k house. Mortgage paid off. She inherited a substantial sum of money. She gets higher rate pip for her son who has Adhd. It should d be means tested and assets and money in the bank should be included in addition to income.

viques · 27/06/2025 17:17

hooverbob · 27/06/2025 17:00

@viques you forgot the War! Didn't you fight for our freedom! 🙄

Blimey , I’m old, but not that old. My uncles did though if that helps and my aunties were nurses, landgirls and aircraft technicians.

Bamboozled72 · 27/06/2025 17:17

Viviennemary · 27/06/2025 17:16

Fewer and fewer workers and more benefit claiments = financial disaster. It isn't rocket science. Well done Labour. Usual mess. Should have known better than to vote for them.

I didn't!

Rosscameasdoody · 27/06/2025 17:17

Bamboozled72 · 27/06/2025 17:10

Also people just don't seem on the bones of their arses to me. Not saying people should be, but everyone had new cars, eats out regularly, goes down the pub. Genuinely, my husband and I both work but earn too much for any help at all. I cannot afford to do any of this stuff.

PIP is designed to contribute to the extra cost of disability. It’s designed so that people don’t need to be on the bones of their arse to qualify. It’s intended so that disabled people can take part in society on a level playing field. Would you be prepared to accept the disability that goes with the extra money if it enabled you to afford these things ?

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