Taxes to rise to fund PIP

[Viviennemary]

I just read this, Don't agree with this at all. PIP needs to be reformed. But not by introducing this two tier system. Sick of Labour already. Might have know they would revert to type. With all the infighting and disagreement so nothing ever gets done except back peddling, increased taxes and prices rises.

@justkeepswimingswiming the numbers qualifying for inpatient mental health care have reduced as NHS resources have reduced. PIP is related to need not hospital admission If anything NHS reduced budget will have increased the need for funding for care in the community for people with severe need.

I’m not sure you have thought this through. Probably because you have bought into the lie that mild anxiety and depression results in a PIP award. Read the descriptors. No one with mild anxiety and depression has ever qualified or ever could with existing descriptors and duty to provide evidence.

People don't see all those claiming benefit as leeches but there are big problems with the system and the number of new claimants, It is not sustainable. Benefits and disability payments should be subject to scrutiny to ensure only those who need them get them.

The DWP lists PiP fraud at almost zero. Have you seen a PiP form? It’s 40 odd pages of Hell, repetitive questions designed to catch you out. They removed night care some years ago. You are expected to provide evidence from a GP and/or Consultant, along with a copy of your regular medication . I volunteer, helping people with the forms, they can take up to a week. Finally, we are subject to scrutiny, the odd visitor from the DWP, , phone calls. Last visit I had he came armed with my bank statement. This was long before the discussions regarding DWP access.

The tax payer doesnt fund motability - it’s a private concern and charity funded. Beyond the higher rate mobility allowance that would be paid anyway, and the concessions available to disabled people regardless of how they pay for the car - exemption from excise duty, road tax and VAT - the tax payer is not responsible. I don’t condone what your neighbour is doing, but it doesn’t mean they are doing anything wrong by spending the allowance they are entitled to in this way.

Motability is a lifeline to most of its customers. It provides a means of staying mobile that would be beyond most disabled people, and for many it provides a means for travel to work. The fact that it is abused by some is not the fault of genuinely disabled people.

I have no data on that.

But, over the same period the total number of claimants increased very dramatically - and apparently 36% of those get the highest rate.

So just… a huge additional number of people were approved for highest rate support, and a high % of those people have used the mobility element of that claim to lease a car.

The cuts are because their policies are bad. NI stalls growth and they need to cut back.

Borrowing is already too high. How will they avoid even more tax rises after this u turn?

Why is it so high?

Make up your minds either we cut pip for all but the most disabled or we raise taxes but don't do both?

If you cut the bill you don't NEED to raise taxes to pay for it

I still maintain that some pip claimants are only there because the NHS won't fix people as ive said before a friend of mine needed a hip operation she was deemed "too young" they didn't want to operate twice so after a couple of years she ended up unemployed on pip and on crutches if the NHS had operated she would have continued to work and not needed pip

They could have done what they said they were going to do. Build and grow the economy, improve the NHS so people can get help in a timely fashion and THEN make these necessary cuts, so that there was a healthier population AND they'd have jobs to go in to with support.

How on earth was are government going to achieve this? And in such a small time frame?!

We haven't had any real growth since the 08 crash. How do you improve the NHS without a massive cash injection?

If the Motability scheme was scrapped, no money would be saved. People would still receive the mobility element of DLA and PIP.

Can someone please tell me why pip gets awarded to someone who is able to work full time? What does getting that "extra" money help with ?
I'm not being goady or looking for an argument. It is a genuine question.
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How are disabled people going to be supported? Retirement ages rising means more unwell people not yet at pension age. The studies show no dramatic increases in claims not explained by these real changes. The £1 billion to push toward work will just be big companies cashing in as they have before...people like Reed ...public accounts have condemned the millions given to them as having no effect. Minimum income guarantees would save all this ...want more...then you have to work to gain more...but people are treated with dignity. Cut PIP people will need support from other budgets ..so its self defeating.

DLA forms are the same. Even the social worker who helped me fill it out said to me that you will feel like you are repeating yourself and that's just how it works.

An adapted car to get to work? They may need adapted clothing, pre chopped veg, taxis if they don't drive, etc

The cuts are because their policies are bad. NI stalls growth and they need to cut back.

They increased NI because they needed tax revenue & said it won't be on income. Employers here generally pay less NI vs other European countries. I think they average 20%.

Well, this is my point. The UTurns are bad. No idea why they did it. Well I do as their back benches aren't happy as their constituents have threatened to vote reform. I say fuck it. Let them vote reform. They'll all come kicking and screaming to reality when they have to pay £50 for a doctor's appointment and their prescriptions are no longer free. Reform is not the panacea people think it is. Ironically, people on benefits would be completely shafted by Farage. He is not a man of the poor. I don't understand why people are so deluded. I can only assume the population are largely stupid. Bring it on. Let's get it over with then maybe politics might come good again, perhaps in time for our grandchildren.

I am far more perplexed as to why generational unemployment (not due to illness) never seems to come up for discussion?

There are, to the best of my knowledge, a growing number of areas in the UK where up to 4 generations of families make a lifestyle of living on the dole.

Why are mentally ill and disabled people (evidently not the majority of claimants) always the traget for harsher reforms, yet the above mentioned 'shirkers' avoid criticism?

I don't have much experience with benefits of any sort so can't offer an explanation myself, admittedly.

How do those people manage to keep benefits for life, both young and old, when they don't have disabilities? I am talking about the 'underclass', many of which destroy the properties they are given with rent paid up by the state. Wha tis THAT costing the country or taxpayer, and why are they rarely ever discussed in threads such as these?

I presume many of them are illiterate or unemployable, but surely this is creating some level of imbalance?

I would rather contribute towards an unfortunate individual's future than serve the likes of those who stick their finger up to it.

I say fuck it. Let them vote reform.

I'm starting to feel like this. I think I will benefit in some ways, don't they want to scrap IHT?

I can only assume the population are largely stupid.

Yes

Wholeheartedly agree. Those of us who know the workings of the PIP system also know just how difficult a benefit it is to claim on any grounds, but stand alone claims on MH grounds are subject to second line consultant led mental health treatment. GP led treatment for anxiety and depression isn’t supported by PIP.

Because there has been a big rise in people claiming PIP, being awarded the enhanced mobility component, thus being entitled to enrol on the Motability scheme.
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As I said, if the Motability scheme ended tomorrow, no significant money would be saved. Motability pay for tax, insurance and servicing, breakdown etc. Motability cars are tax exempt, but so are non-Motability cars if they are used by or for a blue badge holder.

How when it's actually taken from taxation or charity?

Can anybody tell me what the Tories did in 14 years to sort PIP because I’m scratching my head and can’t remember anything.

@StrawberrySandwich you'll be scratching for some time!

The reason why my son is disabled is due to a surgeon deciding that my son actually didn't need surgery when he did. He ended up rapidly deteriorating and suffering a cardiac arrest for 17 minutes.

If the surgeon had listened to my concerns, to the nurses concerns etc then he wouldn't have rapidly deteriorated and wouldn't now be disabled and wouldn't need DLA.

It doesn’t help workers. Payroll numbers are down.

I am torn on this. On one hand i believe that people who are disabled and rely on PIP shouldnt be affected by any changes, that people like previous posters have said work and their PIP helps them to afford to work need their PIP and again shouldnt be affected, same with people looking after disabled children. Nobody who is disabled should be living in poverty.

But then on the other hand i have 2 adult stepsons, the eldest has autism, the second one i am not 100% sure but i think its ADHD and depression. Both dropped out of college and went straight onto benefits. Neither has worked a day in their life, just live off their PIP and other benefits. Neither has tried to work or looked for a job, neither has even given it a go.

So when my tax goes to pay towards 2 men who are nearly in their 30's to enable them to play World of Warcraft all night and then sleep all day i do think the system needs looking at. We dont know if they are unable to work as they have never tried.