Taxes to rise to fund PIP

[Viviennemary]

I just read this, Don't agree with this at all. PIP needs to be reformed. But not by introducing this two tier system. Sick of Labour already. Might have know they would revert to type. With all the infighting and disagreement so nothing ever gets done except back peddling, increased taxes and prices rises.

How should they, or any other party, tackle it?

Pip claims are going to go through the roof between now and Nov 26 morons

Thankfully PIP isn't awarded to people who have anxiety "at times", it's awarded based on need over a majority of days and requires substantial medical evidence to back this claim up.

Usually with an actual diagnosis of an anxiety related disorder, of which there are many.

But what did the Conservatives do? Nothing. I don't remember one good thing they did in 14 years. Many years ago I used to vote for them but they have been utterly destructive. I genuinely can't see what labour have done as being worse. They are trying at least. Should not have done any of these U turns though.

Trying to do what? Stall the economy

I've written about them on here before, I've got family members who apparently have fybromyalgia. There's no test for this. Both get PIP. Yet funnily enough both of there symptoms seem to disappear when there's something on they want to do. They couldnt possibly work yet can manage walking around disney in florida everyday for 2 weeks, never get a "flare up" when there's parties or nights out planned.

So yeah its bloody annoying that money that could be going towards my child's future is being spent on these individuals rather than services that could benefit everyone. For example why are we not investing in public transport than giving money to individuals for cars?

There are 815,000 motability cars currently on the road.

An increase of 200,000 in… two years.

This is 20% of new cars in England and Wales - and 40% in Northern Ireland.

Labour dont seem to be able to tackle anything...inexperienced and clueless

Absolutely. Plus anyone with any sense will appeal if they don't score a 4 both before and after the change comes in. There will be chaos and massive expense.

The whole bill needs to be pulled and re-thought.

Trying to make sensible cuts, ie WFA to rich pensioners who don't need it. Trying to get a grip on pip. They have tried. They are right not to increase taxes for workers.

It’s not the grants or other concessions and and adjustments that are the main bar to disabled people in employment. Obviously that plays a part and the delays to getting funding in place is absolutely a contributing factor - I’ve known job offers be withdrawn because of extensive delays in providing access to work and reasonable adjustment. But in the main we need to alter the perception that disabled people are not reliable and are likely to incur lots of sick leave. The fact that there is protection for those with protected characteristics can also work against disabled people, because the perception is that once taken on they will be very hard to dismiss.

This is 20% of new cars in England and Wales - and 40% in Northern Ireland.

That's astonishing!

I think the fact that we now run a global welfare state is always overlooked.

The systems deal with people from 60 plus countries with different languages and culture.

Just madness.

A friend runs a complex social needs care business he started recently, he's an immigrant, and his first client is a Pakistani couple of immigrants with a severely disabled baby born here that he gets 36 pounds an hour from the local authority to care for, he's brought in another immigrant to do the work.

Would Pakistan pay for this?
No.
But the UK does!

A global welfare state running out of this little country! What an insane thing to do.

Our neighbours already had a car each. One of them contracted an illness. They got themselves a motability car "as a fun car", so now have 3 cars. They didn't need the 3rd car, it's not got any disability aids - just a normal car. I know they're just spending their DLA money on it, and would otherwise have cash, but it sticks in the throat that they've got a car they don't actually need, not only financed by the DLA, but also VAT exempt, road tax exempt, presumably insurance and repairs paid for too, etc so the taxpayer is paying more than just the DLA.

But what did the Conservatives do?
Quite

I hate the U-turns but again what are you meant to do

so the perception from this is that people are claiming fraudulently ? Why ?

In the UK, the Motability scheme supports over 633,000 people leasing cars. This makes it the largest fleet operator in Europe, with around one in five new cars purchased in the UK being through the scheme. In total, more than four million cars have been supplied since the scheme began.

@Rosscameasdoody even if they are all legitimate it's astonishing!

It was 633,000 in 2022.

It’s 815,000 is 2024.

Do other European countries offer mobility cars?

We have a mobility car because our child is disabled. It's a life line to get him to his (many) appointments, including a specialist hospital which isn't local and hydrotherapy which also isn't local.

Even if improvements are made to public transport, it will still take an age to get anywhere which is no good when you have an early morning appointment at the hospital or if you miss the bus because people with buggies refuse to move for your child's wheelchair (true story).

It was 633,000 in 2022.

It’s 815,000 is 2024

What on earth has happened to people that 200k needed mobility cars?

They could have done what they said they were going to do. Build and grow the economy, improve the NHS so people can get help in a timely fashion and THEN make these necessary cuts, so that there was a healthier population AND they'd have jobs to go in to with support.

It's not that I am ideologically opposed to cuts but what an awful plan to grind business down as job one, kill the jobs market, cut benefits and bump the disabled into work when there are increasingly few to be had.

It's all very well to talk about 14 years of Tories but look at all these decisions they have made it worse in less than a year. The efficiency of decline would be staggering if that was the plan.

Motability contributes around 4.3 billion to GDP each year. It is a good scheme. I know some people would prefer it reverted to providing three wheelers, though.

It's shocking, even if all the claims are legitimate. Is this the best use of money or could it be spent in a better way?