So has WW3 just started?

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I can’t believe I’m not seeing more threads on this. Starmer back israel against Iran. Other Muslim countries are supporting Iran.

Interesting to see BBC reporting slightly less biased against Israelis this morning. Quite surprising really.

Israel will finish the job quicker if the hostages are released. Releasing the hostages will not bring about the end of the genocide. The Israeli government were clear from the beginning that this was the destruction of Palestine.

So human shields, however you want to dress it up.
Nice to see what's good for the goose clearly isn't good for the gander.
I mean, it's not as if Hamas hasn't rejected proposed ceasefire deals.

You seem very confused. I'm not a member of Hamas and I'm not condoning anything Hamas have done. I'm explaining to the perpetually confused why releasing the hostages won't bring about the end of the genocide.

Talking about lipstick on a pig, why don't Israel release the thousands of Palestinians, including children, they have arbitrarily detained and tortured? Anyone would think they weren't acting in good faith.

@MushMonster I agree but we can't compare western Christianity to What's now middle eastern Islam.
In the West we have gone through manga stages which has led us to freedom from the ancient grip of what we call religions.
Religion and the state is separate, no one bats an eye if you say your atheist or whatever, no one thinks about you in a relationship eat no one puts pressure on you or shames you it cares.

The middle east and some other places don't enjoy that at all.
The koran is open to interpretation because there's no one supreme leader in earth leading them all like the pope with Catholics for instance.

I think most of you are very short sighted not seeing the bigger picture ...ANYTHING can happen at ANY time
and mistakes can happen where missiles are involved

Unfortunately even in the liberal UK Muslims who wants to leave the religion can't do so easily and leaving Islam is considered a sin. In the UK those who want to leave the faith can be subjected to emotional and physical abuse. Worst case death.

I support Israel but there really is no need to use racist language or try and put Islam down as a 'bad' religion this is not the space for that, nor really should anywhere be.

You literally are defending the holding of hostages by hamas

Like I said, perpetually confused.

That's because it is. And I am not saying that Israel is ok bombing people but the point is Hamas shouldn't be using the population as human shields and also propaganda points. Netanyahu is now committing war crimes - that does not mean that Israelis are and it does not excuse Hamas.

Yes, @MiloMinderbinder925 is. Mind, it would have been better had Israel's first step in this mess had been to show all the images that Hamas and its friends broadcast of the acts carried out on 7th October, which included gang rape of women and girls, cold-blooded murder and burning people alive. The UN should have been made to see these - I am sure they have seen them but that's not the same as everyone knowing they have seen them - which would have made support of Hamas at the very least incomprehensible.
And hostages are supposed to be kept safe - so there is another violation by Hamas. Vile war.

I agree. But Ireland has not said its purpose, mandated in its constitution, is to destroy the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (though that might have been the desire of the various incarnations of the IRA). But Hamas and Iran etc have as part of their constitution the destruction of Israel and the death of all Jews (i.e. not just those in Israel) - and no-one has any precise claim on any of the territory that is Israel and Gaza, it was part of the highly multi-cultural Ottoman Empire, a province. Shall France claim the entire coast that is Lebanon, Israel, Gaza etc since it was once outre mer, a mainly Frankish colony? Everyone has parked up here at one time or another, no-one has an absolute claim. I deprecate the removal of Palestinians - many of them Christians - from the illegally colonised West Bank. I deprecate the bombing of Gaza, in fact, but I see that Israel, legally constituted by the United Nations, a liberal democracy in a sea of autocracy and tyrrany, has to stand. It is the first defender of the West, and the West, with its liberal values, must stand because we have a right to exist and to our way of life. As does everyone else, of course.

You seem to be trying to derail the thread by accusing people who don't support apartheid, ethnic cleansing and genocide of being terrorists. People who don't support war crimes are terrorists. People who don't support arbitrarily bombing countries are terrorists. Everyone who doesn't agree with you is conveniently a terrorist.

Well then unconfuse me.
Do you think Hamas should release the hostages? Yes or no.

I think both sides should release their prisoners/hostages.

I think many of them are dead to be honest

It was about Hamas, not both sides.
Can't say it right? And I'm confused 😂

Yes but hamas doesn't share that information and leaves the families in agony

Watching how the iron dome is vulnerable against some missiles, civilians hit. I'm reminded of Churchill who was desperate for Germany to bomb London to get American support. Hitler had said many times do not bomb London. Churchill then pushed by bombing German civilians many times to push Germany into bombing our cities. It worked.

Maybe I'm cynical.

Not quite the same (even if
European colonial adventures have not contributed to some present day issues.)

@justasking111

Churchill then pushed by bombing German civilians many times to push Germany into bombing our cities. It worked.

Errr, without getting into a "you started it" debate are you saying the RAFs strategic bombing campaign (which only really started to get anything like close to being slightly effective in 1941/42) preceeded events like the Blitz on London and places like Coventry, Plymouth and elsewhere being flattened by the Luftwaffe?

Are you sure that's right?

Do you know when the first bomber raid on London was in WW2?
Do you know when the USA declared war on Germany and why?