So has WW3 just started?

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I can’t believe I’m not seeing more threads on this. Starmer back israel against Iran. Other Muslim countries are supporting Iran.

I also believed that Israel had a right to defend itself after the awful attack, I don't like the government of Israel but they did have the right to defend itself. It didn't just go after Hamas leaders though did it? It didn't defend itself by bombing military bases and terrorists, it's indiscriminately killed civilians, babies, women and children. It's disgusting what they have done since that time and then add to that the aid they have blocked.

Don't kid yourself that they wouldn't have done this without Oct 7th - settlers have been planning on moving into Gaza for years. Fundamentalist in Israel don't think the Gazans deserve to exist in the exact same way that fundamentalists in Gaza don't believe Israeli's should exist.

I don't like the fundamentalist Iranian government either, the way they treat women and dissidents is disgusting but they also have a right to defend itself.

The west think they are morally superior to all these countries but why should Trump, who is clearly unhinged and getting worse, have nuclear weapons and not Iran? North Korea have nuclear weapons for goodness sake. No one should have nuclear weapons that could wipe out whole nations, no one, but the hypocrisy of the West thinking they definitely should be able to have them as they are so very sensible is breath taking.

I get it, I really do. You don't see Palestinians as human beings. They've been dehumanised for a long time which is why their agony, their sense of loss, their longing for their missing relatives isn't important. The rhetoric before and during the invasion was that they were animals.

Therefore you find it amusing that anyone would consider them important or worthwhile. I think everyone is equally important. Palestinians, Israelis and Iranians. They all have worth. They should both stop, hand over their prisoners and come to a peaceful agreement.

Hilarious, right?

I asked earlier why did Kuwait kick out nearly a million Palestinians. Why won't Jordan take any more. Why wouldn't Egypt take them in?

Your constant accusations of confusion while you try to obscufate and backtrack are what is hilarious.
And from that accusing others of dehumanising Palestinians is also quite amusing, albeit with a whiff of desperation.
The ones who you think should be used as human shields are the ones who have been dehumanised.

I know. It's mystifying to some that other countries don't want a large influx of refugees or to partake in ethnic cleansing.

Derailing as usual. You support genocide or you're a terrorist!

Yadda yadda yadda.

Imagine the uproar in the UK if it was suggested that they take in 1million traumatised, malnurished people that will need urgent medical care and housing. It wouldn't even be up for discussion but for some reason people seem to think that other countries should do it without blinking.

We'll know when WW3 starts. They'll announce it on the BBC. They haven't done that yet.

It's more serious than that, it's people being pushed into surrounding countries while their country is completely eradicated and colonised.

"Why is Israel the decider? Pakistan and India have nuclear weapons and a lot of ill feeling towards each other. Israel is busy taking over areas of Lebanon and Syria, as well as continuing its illegal occupation of the West Bank while committing genocide in Gaza. What countries has Iran bombed or invaded or attacked?
We ‘stand’ with a country that happily starves 2 million people?"

So you would prefer to "stand" with a country that through its Houthi proxies has attacked and sunk British and other nations shipping, Iran has kidnapped Royal Navy sailors on several occasions and most recently five Iranians were arrested for planning a terrorist bombing in London?

The Israeli bombing of Iran's nuclear programme to prevent them developing a nuclear bomb is very much in the UK's interests.

Or, to put it another way, you just got called out.

But best defence is attack as your spin unravels.

I'm not interested in your goady accusations which have no basis in reality. However I'm not surprised that someone who supports a genocidal regime is projecting. You think everyone thinks like you but they don't. I wish you nothing but peace, it's the only way forward.

No dear. I read your post and understood it. You're welcome to throw insults around, it won't affect my memory.

My posts are there for anyone to see dear.

Why the fuck are people worrying about a country that - until Saturday - hadnt attacked anyone since 1857 (when Britain invaded them) doesnt have nuclear weapons, is a signatory to the non-proliferation treaty and is regularly inspected by the IAEA.

While defending a country that is involved in an active genocide, has already bombed 7 countries this year, is known to have illegal nuclear weapons, is not a signatory to the non-proliferation treaty and allows no inspections?

Israel launched an unprovoked attack on Iran, not only killing civilians, but also directly and explicitly targeting their nuclear facilities (another war crime to add to the charges when Netenyahu eventually ends up in the Hague).

A compromise would be that both Israel and the Paledtinians agree to a two state country, each having their own land. But neither side will compromise. Both want all the land and for the other side to be wiped out. So there will never be a resolution.

Because it makes sense for countries that actually border the country at war take them in. They have the same culture, and mostly the same language. Plus presumably they will ultimately want to return once the war has ceased. Allowing them go come here would be a straight up 'no'. Lord knows what we would be allowing to enter- lots.of.the people there are already radicalised against the West.

Sorry, when did I say all that? I don't support apartheid (and went on the anti-springbok demos in the 70s), I don't support ethnic cleansing (I supported groups trying to help the raped women of Bangladesh when what is now Pakistan but was then W. Pakistan carried out genocide by rape to ethnically cleanse what is now Bangladesh*), I have marched against wars numerous times and stood against the war in Iraq instigated by T. Blair. I have protested against nuclear weapons, and taken part in protests at Greenham Common (taking my breastfed baby with me). How dare you accuse me of suporting any of this lot because I agree with many governments that Hamas is a terrorist organisation (and that the Palestinian people in Gaza - many of them Christians as well as Muslims - are terrorised by their own government) and that Iran is a rogue state?
Obviously you can't read.
Cerainly I am not trying to derail the thread - I just don't think WW3 has started and have said why.
If Iran has nuclear weapons - which I think it may be near achieving - then we might find that WW3 was more than just starting.
*one can see parallels here with the rape of Bosnian women and also Jewish women in Oct 2023 - I have made my views known on those events as well (not here).

Same, it was only a couple of years ago the WW3 was starting with Russia and the Ukraine. And as horrific as that whole shit show is, it is still not WW3

I don't think Israel wanted Palestinians wiped out originally. They might now, of course.

Agree. It's to be hoped the posters championing Iran and indicating their loyalty lies with a bunch of terrorists who are a danger to the UK and the West, dont actually live here in the UK. Terrifying to know they walk amongst us with such views.

Not true. Israel has made compromises for peace—repeatedly.
Take the Sinai Peninsula: Israel returned it entirely to Egypt in exchange for peace in 1979. That was land for peace, plain and simple.
In 1947, the UN proposed a two-state solution. Jewish leaders accepted it. Arab leaders rejected it—they didn’t want part of the land, they wanted all of it.
In 1948, Israel declared independence as the British mandate ended. Arab leaders still refused to declare a Palestinian state. Instead, five Arab armies invaded the new Jewish state.
Between 1948 and 1967, Gaza was under Egyptian control and the West Bank under Jordanian rule—yet no Palestinian state was created. Why not?
After the 1967 war, the Arab League famously issued the "Three No’s of Khartoum":
No peace, no recognition, no negotiations. Again, why?
Israel later joined peace efforts at Camp David and Annapolis, offering major concessions—each time met with rejection or violence, including the outbreak of the Second Intifada.
So yes, the situation today is incredibly complex. But let’s be honest about history: Israel has shown a willingness to compromise. The question is—who has said yes to peace, and who has said no?

What exactly am I doing? Many thanks