So has WW3 just started?

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I can’t believe I’m not seeing more threads on this. Starmer back israel against Iran. Other Muslim countries are supporting Iran.

Because Israel aren't calling for the total destruction of Iran.

Iran absolutely cannot hold their position on the destruction of Israel whilst also advancing their nuclear programme.

All I know is that the UK should not be getting involved in any way. They are two repulsive regimes. Iran for its abuses towards its own people. Israel for the ongoing genocide against the Palestinians - 14,500 children it has now casually murdered over the last 20 months or so (UNICEF figures). And morals aside, it’s hardly like Israel is short of help with the US practically its own personal bank. Leave them to it - the UK is a relative irrelevance internationally anyway.

And Iran is never going to stop trying to attain them with a nuclear Israel next door.

Iran has no reason to believe that Israel poses an existential threat to them. Israel has never raised concerns with regards to the concept of Iran existing as a country. By contrast, Iran describes Israel as a cancerous tumour that needs removing (not just Netanyahu and/or his government, but the whole state of Israel)

Israel and Iran were allies until the islamic revolution in the 1970s.

Edited- Lost my quote. Sorry.

Why is Israel the decider? Pakistan and India have nuclear weapons and a lot of ill feeling towards each other. Israel is busy taking over areas of Lebanon and Syria, as well as continuing its illegal occupation of the West Bank while committing genocide in Gaza. What countries has Iran bombed or invaded or attacked?
We ‘stand’ with a country that happily starves 2 million people?

We're all doomed.

They might not have been, but to address the worry /post that triggered this bit of the debate :

In the context of Iran/Israel as it stands today for multiple reasons it's highly highly highly highly etc unlikely there are fighters flying around bombed up with nuclear weapons.

🤣😂😭🤣 Yes they're all about peace and not slaughtering thousands and starving millions

Re Putin and trump on x it seemed too show high ranking families getting out or Iran yesterday and possibly heading for Moscow, where Bashir resides already.

Hoping this gives the people the momentum to over throw them regime

It's a war based on a lie which is why western powers are keeping their powders dry and will continue to do so unless Iran attacks them. That and the stain of Gaza and what Israel has done to them and continues to do so.

In the end it's true just look at the dinosaurs !

My (Iranian, Muslim) husband is delighted that Israel has shown the cojones to take on the Islamo-fascist regime. He and his diaspora pals in their hundreds are sharing photos on Telegram showing holes blown into bedroom walls and speaking in awed tones about the precision and intelligence that led to the attack, not to mention the fact that Israel made the drones inside Iran.

Meanwhile, the likes of Saudi are saying the right things about the attack on Iran, but I’m sure they’d secretly like to shake Netanyahu’s hand, because they will not want Iran tooled up with nukes.

Iran consistently misleads and dissembles in the face of UN nuclear inspections. The leaders cannot be trusted, and it might stick in the craw, but the likes of Mossad probably know more about their nuclear capability than anyone. (They’ve bribed all the right people for years!)

Not to mention the billions that are being made as the price of oil and shares in the arms companies soar. Great if you have inside knowledge on that 👍🏻 It’s all about the money, little people don’t matter.

Nope.
ww111 will start, if at all, in Finland, when Russia d3cides to provoke a NATO involvement by defending Finland when the Russian cross the border and de
oberately take Finnish territory in the artic circle. They’re after rare earth mineral mining, plus want to see if NATO involvement Europe will defend themselves, as USA have decided to leave the party.

now is that likely to happen? Depends just how mad Putin gets and if Ukraine eventually brokers a deal re minerals for peace. If he can do it once, and get away with it with a non NATO country, he might chance his arm!

with respect to co7ntires getting involved in Middle East religious blood bath…unlikley …Europe and USA learnt a lot form afghan…not least of which they’ll come out of any war and post war recovery looking very bad indeed.

@Vinvertebrate I had a friend second generation immigrant from Iran, terribly sad the whole family was highly intellectual and lucky to escape.
She was the most sensational cook also.

Because I do not trust either the US or Netanyahu. So why should we get involved? To be treated like a random country.
It is history repeating itself. Iraq take two.
UK has a war ongoing in its own continent.
And I think the West should leave the Middle East alone. Nothing but death and more wars have come out of each intervention. And it is easy to see.

This. And the fighting of wars over oil is even more insane given that we should be moving away completely from the fossil fuels that are destroying our beautiful planet.

The whole world just feels like it’s run by psychopathic men chasing the dollar and getting big hard ons about industrial strength weapons.

Britain can't afford another war Starmer is prevaricating about increasing the defence spending on a hollowed out army. Hence there is no appetite to get involved in this one except maybe to pre-emptively defen our assets in the region and porvide some intelliegnce to Isarel re attcks on them. So this isn't WW3 stop worrying and enjoy the sunshine.

But if UK would be in trouble, you would expect US to help?

Other countries in the Middle East appear to be getting together to broker a peace. Iran is not loved by its neighbours, being a terrorist state in many ways (it supports terrorism). Also, no-one wants Iran to have nuclear weapons.
It is Iran - the country where women who wear their headscarf the 'wrong way' get to die in police custody - that funds Hamas, and assorted militias such as the Huthis.
Everyone is being shocked while behind their hands saying 'thank God Israel did this because now we don't have to and no-one can blame us, it was those wicked Israelis'.

If the UK is in trouble the US is legally obliged to help when necessary - NATO.

Why do people keep saying Iran will fight till the last Arab? Iranians are not Arabs. They are Persian.

It would be nice if we remembered that Hamas is using those children as human shields, hiding amongst the population - which is just as much a war crime as bombing civilians.
What makes you think the UK, a permanent member of the Security Council and the possessor of armed forces able to project internationally even when severely depleted and a key member of NATO and AUKUS etc - is irrelevant?

Israel has been murdering Palestinians for nearly two years. Now they have just gone and bombed Iran and are affronted that Iran has retaliated.