Owner of Tattle Life named

[BeardofHagrid]

The owner of hate forum Tattle Life has today been legally named as Sebastian Bond. He also goes by the alias Bastian Durward. He has tried to flee to Asia to avoid paying his legal costs.

https://goss.ie/featured/everything-we-know-about-the-owner-of-tattle-life-as-he-is-finally-named-423238

@Mummy2Sienna the dedicated mother left her teenage daughter (aged fourteen I think) home in the UK while she jetted off to America to start a new life.

Want me to go on? Because I will

Even if someone does put their kids in the spotlight, that does not give any other adult the right to laugh/ mock said child. Children are always innocent and cannot consent to being famous.

My other issue with Tattle is the misogyny of it all. Most of the threads are about women and centre on ad-hominem attacks.

Isn’t this just a statistical reality though? Are there as many male influencers flaunting their children’s childhoods in front of cameras? I would judge a Dad exposing his children equally harshly.

It's sad that when women are called out for bad behaviour, the response is to call that misogynistic. You're far more damaging to the cause of feminism and gender equality than you realise.

You replied to my post referencing a specific thread (which apparently "upset me" but which you're indifferent to, which is weird, because it's not normal for grown women to slag a little girl off) and the implication was clear. Again this "no Mum/teacher, I was just talking to myself stating a random fact and you took me out of context" is a trick little children / teenagers try and use because they think it makes them look oh so clever but it's not, lol.

I think there's a place on the internet for a site like Tattle (to scrutinise influencer accounts and false representation) but it does seem to attract people who get overly-invested and really very unpleasant. I'm sure I've seen Meghan Markle called a cunt over there, which MN wouldn't allow.

I don't understand the number of posts on this thread saying MN is worse? It's not, is it? The moderation on celebrity threads is more robust, I would say.

I'm also more and more coming round to the way of thinking that just because I think the internet should be honest and a place to share the truth, an increasing majority of people really couldn't give a stuff if they are interacting with reality or fakery or indeed robots.

This is Neil Sands. He made millions from PPE during covid
gripeo.com/11/neil-o-sands/

Rich family and there are lots of allegations against his sister. But she's being protected with money & connections.
Interesting reading
https://watchers.ie/?s=sands+Drogheda

I’m torn because I agree with influencers being held to account in terms of undeclared ads, etc as the industry is so unregulated (also exposing grifters and liars like Jack Monroe) but a lot of what’s on Tattle goes beyond that. Some users actively stalk these people and their families.

You can’t call children ugly little goblins and publish details of their school and home address while claiming to be outraged that they’re being exploited, and concerned for their safety. It just doesn’t wash.

With regards to the owner and mods, they’re completely useless so it’s unsurprising that they’ve been taken to court. They’ve allowed libel laws to be broken for years but are swift to hit you with a warning or ban if you dare go against the general consensus of a thread. That’s why I can’t swallow the whole Tattlers are so nice Koolaid either. It’s a bit of a hive mind at this point, so they’re perfectly fine if you agree with them but will absolutely pile on if you don’t.

What is the likely hood of each member being exposed there’s prob millions on it doesn’t it cover America etc

I went on once to read a thread about an influencer I had started to find mildly annoying. I left feeling very sympathetic towards her. The speculation on her was outrageous. Without actually knowing her they concluded her husband is gay and hates her, son has undiagnosed sen, daughter is a brat and so on.

I can't see that it's any worse than Twitter/X to be honest. In fact it's probably better as there is at least some element of moderation. Have you seen some of the tweets that J K Rowling gets sent? She gets actual death threats.

It's funny how all these posters who disapprove of Tattle so much only ever mention influencer threads as if Tattle isn't so much more than that.

There’s a way to avoid all this, don’t be an influencer, sorry, cOnTeNt CrEaToR 🤢

Oh is he the one that got the contract because he's got mates in high places but it turns out the ppe was unfit for purpose or do I have him mixed up with someone else?

it Should be shut down years ago. Imagine if someone reading those horrible comments about themselves did something to harm themselves. People are called fat, ugly and dirty amongst other dreadful comments. I hope it is shut down pronto.

What do you mean a dangerous precedent?

Do you think online harassment and defamation should be allowed ? And the court decision is wrong ?

I mean people’s opinions on people in the public domain becoming criminalised.

If they are threatening their lives, then that’s a different matter. But I’m seeing a lot of money and effort being spent on trying to control people’s opinions.

Which, I think, is a dangerous precedent.

I think it's simply a case of not crossing the line and perhaps the difference is that mumsnet deletes things that are potentially libelous when it's reported to them whereas it seems that the owner of tattle does not

Giving your opinion about content someone has chosen to put on there's fine.
Not liking what you see is fine.
Saying you don't like it is fine.
Saying someone really pisses you off is fine.
People aren't always going to be nice and positive in their opinions, and there's really nothing to be done about it.

A site just can't allow content that accuses people of illegal or reputationally damaging things (iyswim) without evidence. And possibly even if there is evidence. I expect there's legal stuff around that too.

Tattle just needs to delete stuff that crosses that line when the subject of it makes a complaint. Maybe get legal advice on whether what's being said is something that needs to be deleted for legal reasons.

People are called fat, ugly and dirty amongst other dreadful comments.

I've seen the same on here

I also think it's very different thing for me to write "Donald is a fat satsuma" on here or similar vs DMing him that.

Nothing has been criminalised. The owner of the website allowed defamatory content to remain on his website, and he was sued for damages. An individual poster could also potentially be sued for something they've posted, if it is defamatory, in the same was as Dr Christian Jessen was. But it would be difficult to find out who they were as the forum users are anonymous. Hence why this couple (and also Gina Ford, back in the day) went after the publisher instead.

This isn't quite true – it would've been perfectly possible and easy to find out who had posted the content. There are many reasons why the owner/founder of the site was sued instead.

You've clearly never been on the other end of someone spreading horrible lies about you on tattle and the mods refusing to remove them

Have you ever had poisonous lies spread about you on tattle that the site wouldn't remove - I have. And the person who posted them was someone that I had to call police over due to an online threat to maim me. I'm not an influencer or a content creator. When someone asks the mods to take defamatory content down. It should be removed.

There's no moderation on tattle and there hasn't been for the last few years.