Owner of Tattle Life named

[BeardofHagrid]

The owner of hate forum Tattle Life has today been legally named as Sebastian Bond. He also goes by the alias Bastian Durward. He has tried to flee to Asia to avoid paying his legal costs.

https://goss.ie/featured/everything-we-know-about-the-owner-of-tattle-life-as-he-is-finally-named-423238

He doesn’t have a choice if it is court ordered. Bankrupt him if he doesn’t pay within a certain period of time or alternatively send in the baliffs.

@scoopoftheday I am far from a public figure and not on Tattle.

One of them went as far as to compile a ‘fact sheet’ about me and my family, full of errors, assumptions and extrapolations, to be shared with any newcomer hungry for gossip.

I am serious in asking why. What good did it serve each of you who participated? Maybe @theyallwentis brave enough to share what joy this gave them?

A factsheet?

Did anyone read the journal.ie article

I've read it but not sure what to make of it.
Can influencers go after someone who posted in 2022 about them? Is that likely? What if someone has posted about people in 2022 but now only uses the site for general chit chat and forums? Is the judge in this case allowed to share all the users who have posted on that thread? Or just those who openly stalked/defamed the couple?

This cant go on much longer without the site being deleted?

Yeah just did there now it was really interesting and comprehensive. I can totally understand why the Sands want to go after the posters who defamed them and it shouldn’t have taken as long as it did to shut down that thread if it had defamation on it.

Where the other Instagramers go in terms of suing for unkind and bitchy comments, who knows.

Did the users that defamed them know the case was taking place? Surely that's a huge defence for them as they were unable to defend themselves or retract their statement and submit an apology?

Realistically what is anyone going to get from suing a randomer down the street? They won't be able to pay for the court fees and will have minimal money for compensation.

Also if this does happen, what happens to newspaper articles? And the commentators on there?

I just cant wait for this to be all out of the news. It's starting to become very crazy.

Perhaps the randomer might think twice about the way they behave?

holy shit. That is ... words fail me.
I'm sorry you have gone through this.

At what point are our opinions of influencers and instagrammers being thought-policed though?

I do think a line needs to be drawn between defaming someone, and harassing them — but surely we ought to be free to share our opinions about someone who freely advertises themselves online?

This.

I was thinking about the threads on here about Madeline Mccann or JonBenet & more recently Nicola Bully. Lots of the posters accuse parents etc wouldn't that be defamation?

We are free to express opinions on public figures but we are not free to defame others by passing off malicious lies as fact. It’s entirely possible to hold influencers to account without stalking and harassing them, or their families and friends. And it’s not just public figures who are in the firing line to which this thread will testify.

All the owner had to do was make sure Tattle was properly moderated and this whole thing could’ve been avoided. Unfortunately, the only time mods intervened was to give people a warning if they expressed a dissenting opinion, or if they were deemed to be trying to police the tone. He has no one but himself to blame.

Potentially yes, which is why I doubt the Government will act in terms of going after individuals. They'd have to go after all online forums, weed out defamation from opinion; it'd be a huge task. If Influencers wanted to go down that route, I suspect they'd have do it themselves. Best bet Government-wise is stricter, enforceable rules for sites like Tattle.

I agree. Influencers would only be able to do it for posts made within the year as well. I'm not sure how the judge was going to allow the influencers in question to have their personal details (albeit just an email address and DOB)
But it could have simply been to make them aware and ask them to try and take the content down. Although this couple is talking about stalking. So I would assume they'd identified who they believed was stalking them. But even so that's surely difficult to prove?

And the instagrammers sharing posts and doxxing people? Can they not then be done for harassment as well? Honestly the internet is just a gross place to be atm

But say u don’t dox an address u don’t drive past someone’s house etc.. but u are on the thread and say ugh her dress is minging etc do u get lumbered in with everyone else.

@2018SoFarSoGreat I'm sorry this happened to you.

For people to know your home and workplace etc then they surely must have known you in real life?

Or did they see your posts on mn, then find your child's obituary and add two and two?

I just can't fathom how anyone would have the time or ability to do that.

And that's a world away from posting on an influencers thread about undisclosed advertising 🫠

Legally I dont think they can because it would cause so many problems across the internet.

The NI case might be different because it was heard in NI. But their statements on instagram was interesting. Essentially apologise or be ready for legal action.

But if influencers want to go after everyone, it's going to have to be those who made severe defamatory statements first, otherwise how do you prove it? You could waste all that money and not get anything from it.

I do question the people still posting in the influencer forums though. They seem very confident they'll be fine!

A negative opinion on a dress is not defamation. If it were, then any kind of negative opinion would be in danger of also being defamatory, eg, any 1 star movie/product/service review.

Court cases are costly, any influencer wanting to take things that far would have to fund cases against multiple Tattle members or go after the website itself, as the Sands did.

Unless legal representation was free/kindly gifted. The annoyance stemming from the sheer number of undeclared free stuff is sort of why forums like Tattle appeared in the first place.

In legal proceedings they’d be requesting the IP addresses which may allow them to identify users.

May allow them to identify.
From what I understand an IP address isn't as accurate at locating someone as most people think.

Yes, may allow them to identify.

I could imagine that would need to be outlined in some updated legislation on harassment online etc. Is it directly TO that person, with the intent that they would see it and is on a personal page of theirs that is very identifiably them.
Or is it posted on another platform with a reasonable expectation that they wouldn’t see it because it wasn’t addressed to them. Something they would have had to go looking for.
I think that area needs tidying up.

But if Neil and Donna achieved anything it’s that I’ve had my eyes open to what it is and I won’t touch it now with a barge pole. Yes I don’t think I was anywhere near the worst at all but I still fed into it and I’m not proud.

I think all the threads about celebs should be shut down and then relaunched with better mods and better instructions to posters about their comments. Perhaps yeah having to identify yourself. I mean if he had any sense he would try to work with the people aggrieved and sort it out but he continues hiding 🤷🏼‍♀️

What exactly was said about the Sands?