Labour isn't working - Thread 3

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A thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

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Way too early to make predictions about 2029! I don't think Reform will win, though.

That’s a prediction isn’t it?

Why confidence on that but not on who will win

Labour got in because folk were fed up with the Tories. Lots of youngsters voted Labour because they'd not experienced a left wing government and believed they would be the answer, but now they can see they are not. Lots of diehard Tory voters just simply did not vote last year.

These are the people who it will be interesting to see where their vote goes this time. Most likely Reform. Don't rule the Conservatives from fighting back as some will be wary of an unknown like Reform. Could be a hung parliament.

Who do you think would win if things stay as they are?

Starmer has a working majority of around 165, but he's pissing off his own MPs. It's rumoured that north of 150 of them are prepared to vote against Starmer's upcoming welfare cuts. When the herd moves, it moves, to quote Johnson who couldn't be rescued despite an 80 seat majority.

This.
I'm praying for a tory fightback 🙏

I’m happy to predict a hung parliament at this rate - not long enough for tories to be forgiven, labour on these measures not winning people over, Lib Dems doing well but unlikely to break through, reckon reform appeal will continue in soem
regions as will SNP.

anyone see that article saying we’re roughly £10k pa worse off due to the ongoing salary effects of the financial crash in 2008? Figures.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64970708

Hmm that article is old but this was reported again as still the case.

Lots of youngsters voted Labour because they'd not experienced a left wing government and believed they would be the answer, but now they can see they are not

This is not a left wing government!

Looking at the latest YouGov polls, Labour is still ahead for 18-24 year olds on 28%, followed by Greens and Lib Dems at 23% and Reform at 10%.

Also still ahead for 25-49 year olds Labour at 29%, Reform and Lib Dems both at 18%

So younger people still giving Labour a chance.

Thanks for sharing.
Interesting that the article are using figures from The Resolution Foundation, quoting the then CE Torsten Bell.

The same Torsten Bell who is now a Labour MP, and government minister. The same Torsten Bell who admitted to Victoria Derbyshire that he couldn't live on £70 per week!

Although wouldn’t labour be hoping for a lot more than % in the high 20s for support from young people?

If Labour are not spending enough to meet left wing status that’s due to their terrible policies.

And what about the older demographic? You don't mention them in your pp.

I focused on younger people because @Liker focused on younger people, saying:

Lots of youngsters voted Labour because they'd not experienced a left wing government and believed they would be the answer, but now they can see they are not

The polls indicate the underlined part is not true, as there is still strong support for Labour, which is why I posted the info.

But as you have asked so nicely:

Reform has got a massive lead in the 50-64 age group at 39% Labour 18% ,Lib Dems 13%

Over 65s - Reform and Cons both on 30%, Lib Dems 17% and Labour 13%

Thank you. That is big in the 50-64 range.

I cant find any polling for the by election in Scotland. Seems strange as the election is only days away. Do they have different rules in Scotland re polling close to an election perhaps?

I’m not sure either

Just reading about the Netherlands and Wilders triggering a snap election

I didn't realise it had triggered an election. That will be interesting. One to watch.

Yeh it seems like big news doesn’t it but seems to be summed up with this, I mean the media seem slight on this so far.

After a two-hour emergency meeting of his cabinet, Dick Schoof, the prime minister, announced the collapse of the government, which will continue in a caretaker capacity until after new elections.

I think Wilders has flounced because he couldn't get every bit of his 10 point plan through. A classic case of don't let perfect be the enemy of good.**

He's taking a big risk here imo. If he's trying to gain a better hand by going back to the people, it might backfire.

**disclaimer, I don't like Wilders.

Yes I haven’t followed any of it for a while, you may be right.

Long Haul Hoyle is a disgrace. Why are we funding this? He's been island hopping in the Caribbean using taxpayer £s this time.

Hoyle spent nearly £5.5k on private planes during Caribbean tour https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14770373/Lindsay-Hoyle-splurged-taxpayers-cash-private-planes-Caribbean.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

It’ll be the repeat footage of over a thousand mostly men running up a beach to cross that sees them out.

Yes. I don’t think Labour wants to do anything about immigrants whatever they may say about smashing gangs and so on. It’s not so much that they like them, it’s more that they know immigration is high on Tory voters list of dislikes so ‘my enemy’s enemy is my friend’.

You only have to capture it a few more times over the summer and Labour will be panicking.

Ha at the name long haul Hoyle below, he’s very Labour too.

You only have to capture it a few more times over the summer and Labour will be panicking.

Yes - I wonder if they will manage to reduce the crossings. Unlikely, I’d have thought.