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BREAKING NEWS- India has launched strikes on Pakistan

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BucketFacer · 06/05/2025 21:43

More war 😪

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StupidBoy · 08/05/2025 09:45

mumof5andfat · 08/05/2025 09:16

Please stop blaming an entire population for the evils of a few individuals. Unfortunately rape happens on a daily basis around the globe. As far as I’m concerted rapists should be castrated, but it’s never ok to kill innocent people which include children and women, over the actions of a few. They do not represent an entire country. I use the word ‘apparent’ because the poster was implying that the whole of Pakistan was involved in the raping of young white girls and thus the whole country should be ‘Palestined’.

Are you a lifelong Muslim, or someone who has married a Muslim and converted?

FlyMeSomewhere · 08/05/2025 10:41

StupidBoy · 08/05/2025 09:45

Are you a lifelong Muslim, or someone who has married a Muslim and converted?

What is so very wrong with you? If someone isn't racist and doesn't tar entire races with the sake brush and want to see innocent people targeted and hurt them then you accuse of them of being Muslim? Most of the country despises racists! Racism and seeking revenge against innocent people because of where they were born is why things like the Manchester arena attack and 9/11 happened! Your mentality is identical to their mentality!

mumof5andfat · 08/05/2025 10:52

StupidBoy · 08/05/2025 09:45

Are you a lifelong Muslim, or someone who has married a Muslim and converted?

Yes, all praise to God, I am a Muslim born into a Muslim family. I do not claim to represent the entire Muslim population. My views are completely my own.

JaneFondue · 08/05/2025 10:54

Very bloodthirsty thread. Nobody needs to be Palestined or castrated 😑

We have adequate laws to take care of rapists and grooming. Just need to be properly implemented and women believed.

Sroia · 08/05/2025 11:37

mumof5andfat · 08/05/2025 09:16

Please stop blaming an entire population for the evils of a few individuals. Unfortunately rape happens on a daily basis around the globe. As far as I’m concerted rapists should be castrated, but it’s never ok to kill innocent people which include children and women, over the actions of a few. They do not represent an entire country. I use the word ‘apparent’ because the poster was implying that the whole of Pakistan was involved in the raping of young white girls and thus the whole country should be ‘Palestined’.

Not all Pakistani Muslim men were involved in the grooming gangs, and it's unjust to treat an entire community as criminal. However, the phenomenon cannot be fully understood without acknowledging the cultural factors that enabled it—such as misogynistic attitudes, the dehumanisation of non-Muslim women and a broader reluctance within some communities to confront internal wrongdoing.

These harmful norms create an environment where abuse can be overlooked or excused. While most individuals are not perpetrators, many contribute passively by accepting or remaining silent about these views.

1dayatatime · 08/05/2025 11:39

@mumof5andfat

"I use the word ‘apparent’ because the poster was implying that the whole of Pakistan was involved in the raping of young white girls "

Just a point of correction here. The previous poster absolutely did not state "that the whole of Pakistan was involved in the raping of young white girls" - you just made that up.

The previous poster instead referred to the Pakistani grooming gangs, which clearly referred to the sex crimes in the UK (rather than grooming gangs in Pakistan itself targeting young white girls).

Therefore your use of the word "apparent" clearly shows that you are not convinced that the sex crimes including rape of "young white girls" by grooming gangs actually happened.

1dayatatime · 08/05/2025 11:41

@mumof5andfat

Sorry I meant to add that I agree with you that the statement that Pakistan should be Palastined (and by that I understood to suffer widespread destruction) is completely unacceptable.

StupidBoy · 08/05/2025 11:53

No-one needs to debate that rapists, groomers and paedophiles come in all ethnicities, religions and cultures.

The salient point is that within these mainly Pakistani, almost exclusively Muslim rape gangs, there was (and still is) a pervasive culture and strongly held belief that mainly white, almost exclusively non-Muslim girls don't matter much, because no self respecting Muslim man is going to want to marry them anyway. They are tainted and dirty. They are going about unchaperoned, uncovered, often uncared for and unloved, which made them worthless kafir slags who simply don't deserve or require the same respect or consideration as Muslim girls who know their place, obey their brothers and fathers and kept themselves 'modest.' These girls were treated as sub-human playthings precisely because of those cultural and religious differences and value judgements. That's what racist and religious supremacy and entitlement looks like.

These men were not grooming very young children of any colour or creed because they were all a bunch of hopelessly perverted paedophiles. Most of the girls were past puberty and in the bodies of young women, even if they were under the age of consent. Almost all of them very vulnerable, troubled or disadvantaged in some way. These were otherwise regular men who just felt entitled to take sex from non-Muslim women and they chose to rape and groom vulnerable girls because they were easier to coerce and control.

It's nothing more than a diversion tactic to keep insisting that this 'minority' of 'paedophiles' exist in all communities, and trotting out statistics about the number of white British men compared to Muslim men convicted of sex with children, as if that's the crux of what we are dealing with here. It's not. The people who keep shouting about Islamophobia and the persecution of Pakistanis know very well it's not. But they stick to their diversion tactics anyway.

These rape gangs were highly organised, predatory and cynical. Their victims were selected, in the main, specifically because they were white and not Muslim, therefore it mattered less. They mattered less.

Try for a moment mentally flipping that to knowing that hundreds and hundreds of white men systematically and collectively targeted black girls or Asian girls because they felt they mattered less, and then tell me 'but grooming happens in every society. This isn't a race thing. No unusual pattern to see here.'

The targeting of mainly white, non-Muslim girls has come from an entirely racist, cultural and religious supremacy viewpoint, conveniently propped up by the all-too-common and accepted interpretions of Islam in relation to women, still adhered to be many to this day; how they should behave and dress, how they should be managed by their husbands, brothers and fathers, so as not to be seen as immodest or out of control or bringing shame onto the family. The white families who were not 'managing' their errant daughters and sisters properly had only themselves to blame. Girls who were not respectable enough were little better than animals and had only themselves to blame.

This atttiude was and still is pervasive in far too many Muslim men and sadly too many Muslim women too. The women are often the apologists for these men. They secretly and privately, if not openly and publicly blame white western culture for allowing these girls to invite all this upon themselves.

It is therefore virtually impossible to come to any other conclusion than that these Pakistani rape gangs operated precisely because of their patriarchal, highly misogynistic culture and value system, rooted firmly in Islam.

StupidBoy · 08/05/2025 12:00

mumof5andfat · 08/05/2025 10:52

Yes, all praise to God, I am a Muslim born into a Muslim family. I do not claim to represent the entire Muslim population. My views are completely my own.

thanks for answering.

Sroia · 08/05/2025 12:37

StupidBoy · 08/05/2025 11:53

No-one needs to debate that rapists, groomers and paedophiles come in all ethnicities, religions and cultures.

The salient point is that within these mainly Pakistani, almost exclusively Muslim rape gangs, there was (and still is) a pervasive culture and strongly held belief that mainly white, almost exclusively non-Muslim girls don't matter much, because no self respecting Muslim man is going to want to marry them anyway. They are tainted and dirty. They are going about unchaperoned, uncovered, often uncared for and unloved, which made them worthless kafir slags who simply don't deserve or require the same respect or consideration as Muslim girls who know their place, obey their brothers and fathers and kept themselves 'modest.' These girls were treated as sub-human playthings precisely because of those cultural and religious differences and value judgements. That's what racist and religious supremacy and entitlement looks like.

These men were not grooming very young children of any colour or creed because they were all a bunch of hopelessly perverted paedophiles. Most of the girls were past puberty and in the bodies of young women, even if they were under the age of consent. Almost all of them very vulnerable, troubled or disadvantaged in some way. These were otherwise regular men who just felt entitled to take sex from non-Muslim women and they chose to rape and groom vulnerable girls because they were easier to coerce and control.

It's nothing more than a diversion tactic to keep insisting that this 'minority' of 'paedophiles' exist in all communities, and trotting out statistics about the number of white British men compared to Muslim men convicted of sex with children, as if that's the crux of what we are dealing with here. It's not. The people who keep shouting about Islamophobia and the persecution of Pakistanis know very well it's not. But they stick to their diversion tactics anyway.

These rape gangs were highly organised, predatory and cynical. Their victims were selected, in the main, specifically because they were white and not Muslim, therefore it mattered less. They mattered less.

Try for a moment mentally flipping that to knowing that hundreds and hundreds of white men systematically and collectively targeted black girls or Asian girls because they felt they mattered less, and then tell me 'but grooming happens in every society. This isn't a race thing. No unusual pattern to see here.'

The targeting of mainly white, non-Muslim girls has come from an entirely racist, cultural and religious supremacy viewpoint, conveniently propped up by the all-too-common and accepted interpretions of Islam in relation to women, still adhered to be many to this day; how they should behave and dress, how they should be managed by their husbands, brothers and fathers, so as not to be seen as immodest or out of control or bringing shame onto the family. The white families who were not 'managing' their errant daughters and sisters properly had only themselves to blame. Girls who were not respectable enough were little better than animals and had only themselves to blame.

This atttiude was and still is pervasive in far too many Muslim men and sadly too many Muslim women too. The women are often the apologists for these men. They secretly and privately, if not openly and publicly blame white western culture for allowing these girls to invite all this upon themselves.

It is therefore virtually impossible to come to any other conclusion than that these Pakistani rape gangs operated precisely because of their patriarchal, highly misogynistic culture and value system, rooted firmly in Islam.

Extremely well said. The grooming/raping gangs initially targeted Sikh and Hindu girls.

But Sikhs were able to organise themselves (a hotline was set up). I attended a talk at the Sikh temple YEARS before any of this made the news. The talk was called Kaur (Sikh female middle name) 2 Khan (common Muslim surname).

We were told the predators would be able to pick up on girls who had low self esteem, they would flatter them/buy them gifts. Maybe even conceal their Muslim identity and pretend to be Sikh. They would then get girls drunk, take pics and use this as a means of control. Advice was given to parents as well.

You have to ask what Pakistani-Muslim cultural factors allowed these crimes to happen.

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miraxxx · 08/05/2025 13:05

Sroia · 08/05/2025 12:37

Extremely well said. The grooming/raping gangs initially targeted Sikh and Hindu girls.

But Sikhs were able to organise themselves (a hotline was set up). I attended a talk at the Sikh temple YEARS before any of this made the news. The talk was called Kaur (Sikh female middle name) 2 Khan (common Muslim surname).

We were told the predators would be able to pick up on girls who had low self esteem, they would flatter them/buy them gifts. Maybe even conceal their Muslim identity and pretend to be Sikh. They would then get girls drunk, take pics and use this as a means of control. Advice was given to parents as well.

You have to ask what Pakistani-Muslim cultural factors allowed these crimes to happen.

And the behaviour continues in Pakistan in the way minority religion girls are widely targetted. Indians and Pakistanis share similar cultures (and misogynistic views) but the the kind of group and community centred sexual abuse of 'outsider' females does not occur with diaspora Indians or in India and one needs to ask what is different. If one dares.

miraxxx · 08/05/2025 13:17

Rummly · 08/05/2025 09:29

I see Pakistan is moving (some) heavy armour into the region.

I’ve also been learning that the Pakistani Chief of Staff is an Islamic fanatic. Senior military figures are the real power in that country. It’s never really been a civil society.

My guess is that the posturing by Pakistan will go no further: they’re completely outgunned and they know it. But I think we can expect more mischief towards India, and probably other countries too.

The military chief delivered a barnstorming religious supremacist speech (totally ignored by western media of course) a week before the terror attack in Pehlgam. There are known terrorists who have been killed in the Indian strike on Bawalpur and guess what? Pakistani military and politicians are the funerals of these terror scum. A former WSJ journalist colleague of Daniel Pearl reckons one of his murderers has finally been served justice. She of course mentions the British-pakistani terrorist who was also involved in that and many other atrocities.
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miraxxx · 08/05/2025 13:28

Julie Bindel posits that the grooming gang victims were double victims - they were also looked down by the white british establishment for being working class "slags" and for having 'relations' with the brownies. That explains not only Lucy Powell's hauteur but also the Guardian journalist Michael White's disgusting tweets this week. Don't forget that the BBC dismissed these girls as child prostitutes once.
The Sikh girls were groomed and then blackmailed so that they could be used in the sex trade, and as the Sikh community is conservative, this blackmail effective. However the community decided that saving the girls was more important than 'honour' and organised the kind of talks described above to not only educate the girls but to reassure them they could go to their families with the blackmail threats.

justasking111 · 08/05/2025 14:18

Sroia · 08/05/2025 11:37

Not all Pakistani Muslim men were involved in the grooming gangs, and it's unjust to treat an entire community as criminal. However, the phenomenon cannot be fully understood without acknowledging the cultural factors that enabled it—such as misogynistic attitudes, the dehumanisation of non-Muslim women and a broader reluctance within some communities to confront internal wrongdoing.

These harmful norms create an environment where abuse can be overlooked or excused. While most individuals are not perpetrators, many contribute passively by accepting or remaining silent about these views.

My sons partner Yorkshire born and raised would agree with you. As a white teenager and young woman she's had to deal with a lot of Asian men in her place of work Leeds. Was an eye opener to this Welsh country mouse that she can deal with this daily.

StupidBoy · 08/05/2025 15:31

FlyMeSomewhere · 08/05/2025 10:41

What is so very wrong with you? If someone isn't racist and doesn't tar entire races with the sake brush and want to see innocent people targeted and hurt them then you accuse of them of being Muslim? Most of the country despises racists! Racism and seeking revenge against innocent people because of where they were born is why things like the Manchester arena attack and 9/11 happened! Your mentality is identical to their mentality!

There is nothing wrong with me. I didn't accuse anyone of being a Muslim, it's not a crime or something to be ashamed of. I merely asked if that poster if she was, because it would help give better context to her posts.

You seem to have read an awful lot into my question that simply wasn't there. And how dare you liken my 'mentality' to that of the Manchester Arena attackers? WTAF? You are a disgrace.

ProfessorLayton1 · 08/05/2025 15:33

miraxxx · 08/05/2025 13:28

Julie Bindel posits that the grooming gang victims were double victims - they were also looked down by the white british establishment for being working class "slags" and for having 'relations' with the brownies. That explains not only Lucy Powell's hauteur but also the Guardian journalist Michael White's disgusting tweets this week. Don't forget that the BBC dismissed these girls as child prostitutes once.
The Sikh girls were groomed and then blackmailed so that they could be used in the sex trade, and as the Sikh community is conservative, this blackmail effective. However the community decided that saving the girls was more important than 'honour' and organised the kind of talks described above to not only educate the girls but to reassure them they could go to their families with the blackmail threats.

There was a huge initiative in the temples and among the Hindu community as well. The aim was to educate the girls , sign post them for help and to raise awareness.

FlyMeSomewhere · 08/05/2025 15:47

StupidBoy · 08/05/2025 15:31

There is nothing wrong with me. I didn't accuse anyone of being a Muslim, it's not a crime or something to be ashamed of. I merely asked if that poster if she was, because it would help give better context to her posts.

You seem to have read an awful lot into my question that simply wasn't there. And how dare you liken my 'mentality' to that of the Manchester Arena attackers? WTAF? You are a disgrace.

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You questioned somebody because they said not everybody of that race was a rapist! You insinuated that they were defending it just because they must be must be Muslim! And you are bizarrely claiming that I said being a Muslim was bad when I've just literally defended them to you! You seem to have in for an entire race of people! What mindsets do you think people have to blow up kids at concerts! It was based on race! You seem to be trying to deflect your poor attitudes on to me! I'm neither racist nor a disgrace!

miraxxx · 08/05/2025 15:59

ProfessorLayton1 · 08/05/2025 15:33

There was a huge initiative in the temples and among the Hindu community as well. The aim was to educate the girls , sign post them for help and to raise awareness.

It helps to be close-knit and small communities. I really feel for the british white girls who do not have the support of the government and other institutions even today. It is a terrible scar on the national psyche and the backlash will only continue to build.

miraxxx · 08/05/2025 16:00

FlyMeSomewhere · 08/05/2025 15:47

You questioned somebody because they said not everybody of that race was a rapist! You insinuated that they were defending it just because they must be must be Muslim! And you are bizarrely claiming that I said being a Muslim was bad when I've just literally defended them to you! You seem to have in for an entire race of people! What mindsets do you think people have to blow up kids at concerts! It was based on race! You seem to be trying to deflect your poor attitudes on to me! I'm neither racist nor a disgrace!

So much spittle-flecked outrage and a determined effort to turn this to a racism witchhunt.

miraxxx · 08/05/2025 16:01

What mindsets do you think people have to blow up kids at concerts! It was based on race!
Go on, tell us.

miraxxx · 08/05/2025 16:12

Amazing interview with Yalda Hakim, Afghan born Sky interviewer whose interview with the Pakistani Defence Minister wrung an (insouciant) admission that Pakistan was a state sponsor of terror.

Sroia · 08/05/2025 16:19

miraxxx · 08/05/2025 15:59

It helps to be close-knit and small communities. I really feel for the british white girls who do not have the support of the government and other institutions even today. It is a terrible scar on the national psyche and the backlash will only continue to build.

Yes, it’s sad that the white girls who had their lives ruined were the most vulnerable in our society. They had no one to keep an eye out on them unlike the Hindu and Sikh girls 😢

I always wonder why Muslim men and women are so silent on the matter. THEY are best placed to denounce the behaviours and attitudes which allowed the rapes to happen. They should be the ones screaming from the rooftops that this horrific behaviour is not acceptable. I’m talking about the everyday Muslim. Not the faith leaders who made statements on the gangs

miraxxx · 08/05/2025 16:29

Sroia · 08/05/2025 16:19

Yes, it’s sad that the white girls who had their lives ruined were the most vulnerable in our society. They had no one to keep an eye out on them unlike the Hindu and Sikh girls 😢

I always wonder why Muslim men and women are so silent on the matter. THEY are best placed to denounce the behaviours and attitudes which allowed the rapes to happen. They should be the ones screaming from the rooftops that this horrific behaviour is not acceptable. I’m talking about the everyday Muslim. Not the faith leaders who made statements on the gangs

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I don't know that I want more muslims speaking up on the subject - Bushra Shaikh went into total victim blaming mode earlier this year. In the past, Labour MP Naz Shah retweeted : “Those abused girls in Rotherham and elsewhere just need to shut their mouths. For the good of diversity.” But I have seen how thick Naz Shah is - she retweeted a Winnie Mandela quote on "necklacing" with no sense of what it meant and then delected that tweet too.

ProfessorLayton1 · 08/05/2025 16:39

Sroia · 08/05/2025 16:19

Yes, it’s sad that the white girls who had their lives ruined were the most vulnerable in our society. They had no one to keep an eye out on them unlike the Hindu and Sikh girls 😢

I always wonder why Muslim men and women are so silent on the matter. THEY are best placed to denounce the behaviours and attitudes which allowed the rapes to happen. They should be the ones screaming from the rooftops that this horrific behaviour is not acceptable. I’m talking about the everyday Muslim. Not the faith leaders who made statements on the gangs

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Agree, it has to come from within the community.
Honest soul searching, I guess it’s difficult to do it if any dissenting voice is considered anti Islamic.

I really really wish that we do not have a right wing Hindu nationalist party at the helm in India. There is no moderate Muslim voice in Indian politics as far as I am aware. Islamic community of the north lost its elite with partition but it’s been 8 decades and India needs Islamic representation in it’s parliament!

StupidBoy · 08/05/2025 17:05

FlyMeSomewhere · 08/05/2025 15:47

You questioned somebody because they said not everybody of that race was a rapist! You insinuated that they were defending it just because they must be must be Muslim! And you are bizarrely claiming that I said being a Muslim was bad when I've just literally defended them to you! You seem to have in for an entire race of people! What mindsets do you think people have to blow up kids at concerts! It was based on race! You seem to be trying to deflect your poor attitudes on to me! I'm neither racist nor a disgrace!

Almost nothing you've just said is true, or representative of what I said. You are extrapolating wildly. Calm down and rein in the exclamation marks. Honestly, I'm embarrassed for you.

You can't 'accuse' someone of being a Muslim unless you believe that being Muslim is a crime or a bad thing. Accusations are reserved for crimes and bad things. I didn't accuse, I merely asked.

I do not have it in for an 'entire race' of people and absolutely nothing I have said suggests that I do, so I'm not sure what on earth gives you that idea. Besides which, Islam is not a race. Neither is being a Pakistani. Which race do you think I have it in for exactly?

I think you are out of your depth here and you need to go away and brush up on both your comprehension and your debating skills before you leap in and start attacking people. If you want to spar with the grown ups and accuse me of having the same mindset of the Manchester Arena bomber then you are going to have to do a little bit better than this I'm afraid. Because right now you just look silly and not very bright.

Are you on study leave for your GCSEs or something, because that's level I feel I'm dealing with here.

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